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EVE's ever growing ISK inflation cost rates.

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Gnoshia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-04-11 00:18:51 UTC
Needs a stimulus package.

And I got a big one in my pants.
Mytai Gengod
Sebees
#22 - 2013-04-11 00:25:38 UTC
As a fairly new player who joined about two months ago, I don't see inflation as a problem.

Playing maybe 10-15 hours a week on average, mostly on weekends, I have about 15mil in wallet, 60 mil value in loot, 10 slashers, 5 thrashers, 2 probes, 2 ventures, a hoarder and a few other ships all fitted in meta something gear along with decent piles of ammo and boosters. I'm also at about 2.5mil sp. I'm still solo and have had no corp or other type of assistance.

While I'm tempted to buy a plex and convert it, thus far I've resisted the urge because I wanted to see how I could do flying solo on limited play time.

There might be new players who agree with you but I'm satisfied with my ability to play and equip myself as a newbie.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-04-11 01:48:54 UTC
BEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD
THE POWER OF THE NEW PLAYER ARGUMENT !!!!!!!
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-11 03:52:52 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.

With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.

What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?

First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.


Raven's are 140mil now?

How is this a problem?

Free market principles in action.
JellyMons
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-04-11 07:11:06 UTC
This hasn't been focused on enough. OP is talking about ship balance and doesn't understand what a sub capital is.
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2013-04-11 09:03:32 UTC
CCP talked last year about being concerned with inflation, however.

Tons of new isk is being generatrd through NPC bounties and mission rewards.
There are not enough isk sinks in the game to combat this.

When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible)

Isk sinks currently include War dec costs, expired insurace fees, broker fees, market taxes (not corp tax), office rental, ship repair, locator agents. Etc.

The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones.

ISD Gallifreyan

Lt. Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)

Interstellar Services Department
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-04-11 09:22:59 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones.

Like, say, by increasing market costs, manufacturing costs etc, which would also in turn open up for letting nullsec dictate the rates at their own stations and direct that cashflow to their coffers, and as such (provided, of course, that CCP also fixes nullsec's industry) facilitate and incentivize a bottom-up funding of nullsec alliances, which in turn would lead to more activity in nullsec, which in turn would lead to more incentive to defend your own space from roamers and in turn also roam someone else's space.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-04-11 09:29:06 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.

With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.

What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?

First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.


When I bought my first Raven in 2006 it cost 138M.

The introduction of the drone alloys artificially depressed mineral prices for a long time. Now they're back to "normal".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Premier Sovian
New Sun Ventures
#29 - 2013-04-11 09:30:09 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible).


No. The isk lost is the amount you could have gotten for all the materials that went into building that ship, a percentage cost of the blueprint if it's a copy and anything the loot fairy claims for her dragon's horde of items.

Else you're saying I can build any ship in the game for the cost of a manufacturing slot, which is silly.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-04-11 09:30:22 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
CCP talked last year about being concerned with inflation, however.

Tons of new isk is being generatrd through NPC bounties and mission rewards.
There are not enough isk sinks in the game to combat this.

When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible)

Isk sinks currently include War dec costs, expired insurace fees, broker fees, market taxes (not corp tax), office rental, ship repair, locator agents. Etc.

The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones.


That's not what inflation is.

If the amount of ISK in the game doubles but the amount of items and goods also doubles, then there hasn't been any "inflation", merely some 'mudflation'

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Premier Sovian
New Sun Ventures
#31 - 2013-04-11 09:31:36 UTC
And as a new player I never had trouble getting a ship that'd do the job I needed for cheap. It wouldn't be the most efficient for the job, but if I could get the 'best' ship right out of the gate I wouldn't really have anything to shoot for would I?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-04-11 09:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Premier Sovian wrote:
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible).


No. The isk lost is the amount you could have gotten for all the materials that went into building that ship, a percentage cost of the blueprint if it's a copy and anything the loot fairy claims for her dragon's horde of items.

Else you're saying I can build any ship in the game for the cost of a manufacturing slot, which is silly.

What Gallifreyan's talking about is the ISK which leaves the game. The fact the isk left you doesn't matter, it's where it went.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Premier Sovian
New Sun Ventures
#33 - 2013-04-11 09:39:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

What Gallifreyan's talking about is the ISK which leaves the game. The fact the isk left you doesn't matter, it's where it went.


Oh right! Sorry I got all confused.
Frying Doom
#34 - 2013-04-11 09:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Inflation is caused by an increase in the supply of money.

In this case it is more isk entering the system via faucets like bounties and the like, than is leaving the economy via isk sinks such as NPC sell orders.

Inflation always causes over time goods to cost more and incomes to rise.

Which is why we in RL have national banks that control the base lending rate to slow or speed up inflation to keep an economy within a safe inflation level so that one does not rise out of balance to the other.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#35 - 2013-04-11 09:50:04 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
You know how hard it is to convince people I know to play this game? Very, often ending in failure.

This isn't a game you can convince anyone to play. It's a very niche game and the majority of people won't want to play it. You can't try to force them. Those who do enjoy the game keep CCP in business, it would be unwise to make drastic changes for a small chance to encourage new players to stay, at the risk of losing the older player base.

Kahega Amielden wrote:
EVE has never had a high retention rate.

It has a very high retention rate for those who enjoy it, and those are the ones who matter.

Oh god.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#36 - 2013-04-11 12:20:56 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
economic "solution" = screw some people over to help other people in an attempt to fix an imaginary problem dreamed up by people that feel entitled.


That describes most of the 'solutions' proposed on the forums!!
Dave Stark
#37 - 2013-04-11 12:31:16 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.

With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.

What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?

First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.


climbing prices.

charon as an example.

*looks at charon market data*

right. ok.
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-04-11 12:37:42 UTC
If anything I would think inflation would help newer players due to the static cost of skill books.
Frying Doom
#39 - 2013-04-11 12:46:34 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
economic "solution" = screw some people over to help other people in an attempt to fix an imaginary problem dreamed up by people that feel entitled.


That describes most of the 'solutions' proposed on the forums!!

Actually I thought that the idea that inflation was imaginary was a good one, yes prices may rise and fall around a given point but that point will increase as there are trillions of isk entering the market every month.

Also the fact that those people currently paying more for ME/PE slots, manufacturing and refining are "entitled", and not the people whining as they might have to pay more than a pittance in an NPC station.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-04-11 12:50:14 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones.


1,000,000 ISK to fly a ship through a gate to get into Jita. Every. Single. Time. For. Everyone.

Let's do it.

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