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Robotics on single plasma ?
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Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-31 17:12:21 UTC
Am i missing something since it seems impossible to place 2 advanced facilities on same planet to produce the 2 P2 products and the final P3 product Robotics ?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2011-10-31 17:50:40 UTC
depends where in the chain you're trying to start ... if you're trying to mine all the P0 and run all the way to P4, current PG (or CPU, whichever) constraints due to the utilisation of ECUs (with heads) as opposed to single discrete extraction facilities (what we had pre-incursion) coupled with the current link capacities make this an impossible task.

The x5 links coming in the winter expansion may help in this regard.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2011-10-31 17:58:23 UTC
Taking the (4) input P1s and going straight to P3 is viable - you'll need a clump of (5) AIFs for each P3 output (4 making the P2, 1 making the P3 result). In fact, if P2 import/export tariffs go up like we expect, it will save you a fair amount of ISK in fees to go straight from P1->P3 rather then making P2 on a P1->P2 planet and then taking it to the P2->P3 planet.

Going from P0 -> P3 - not likely, even after the link adjustments in the winter expansion. You'd need (4) ECUs (one for Precious Metals, one for Reactive, one for Toxic and one for Chiral) and ECUs are expensive. Unless you do something where you harvest (1) type of product one week and then switch off for the second week.
Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-31 18:42:30 UTC
What i mean is that i want to go from all P0 products and goto robotics,

My understanding is that I need at the very least 3 AIF, 2 for the P2 products and 1 for the final P3 .

But unless i did something wrong, when I try to instal a 2nd AIF on same planet, i ve got an error message telling me that only 1 is allowed .
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-10-31 18:44:52 UTC
Ben Dourion wrote:
What i mean is that i want to go from all P0 products and goto robotics,

My understanding is that I need at the very least 3 AIF, 2 for the P2 products and 1 for the final P3 .

But unless i did something wrong, when I try to instal a 2nd AIF on same planet, i ve got an error message telling me that only 1 is allowed .



maybe you have run out of PG or CPU? I run planets (making only P2) with at least four AIF...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-31 19:14:18 UTC
Velicitia wrote:



maybe you have run out of PG or CPU? I run planets (making only P2) with at least four AIF...



thanks, yes i must have messed up something i guess, thought it was a bit weird to be restrain to only 1 AIF per planet.

Cheers
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#7 - 2011-10-31 19:27:05 UTC
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Planetary_Buildings

Level V CCU gives you a level 5 CC w/ 25415 tf and 19000 MW

Minimal setup:
(1) AIF making P3 robotics - 500 tf 700 MW
(2) AIFs making the P2 components - 1000 tf 1400 MW
(4) BIFs making the P1 components - 800 tf 2400 MW
(4) ECUs harvesting the P0 - 1600 tf 10400 MW
(1) LP for getting stuff of the planet 3600 tf 700 MW
=========
7500tf 15600 MW

That's before you create any ECU extractor heads. With the above setup, you have 3400 MW free and each head uses up 550 MW. So you can put down only 6 ECU heads and pray that your link lengths fit within the remaining 100 MW (unlikely, so plan on only fitting 5 heads).

If you're lucky, the P3 AIF will manage to run at 15-20% utilization...
Sphynix
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#8 - 2011-10-31 19:56:51 UTC
The only realistic method would be to harvest 2 items at a time and make them up to P2. Then switch after a bit to the next set and once you have enough P2 to actually make a decent run of the P3, go back to the original resources and repeat.
Meanwhile leaving the AIF to churn out the Robotics.

You'd need a decent bit of storage though.
Marsan
#9 - 2011-11-01 05:42:22 UTC
There are ways to do it but you lose isk doing it. You are better off doing consumer electronics on the plasma and doing mech parts on a barren. Personally I do robotic with 5 planets. Basically 4 planets doing the 1st tier on various planets and using a spare barren as a factory planet. I lose money to taxes but make up for it with more robotics.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#10 - 2011-11-01 11:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: VaMei
With CC Upgrades at 4, going from P0 to P3 on a low-sec planet is actually pretty easy. I'm doing it on 5 planets now and it works fine; if you're content with having the P3 AIFs running 50% of the time. My logistics are simpler since I only need to handle finished products (and only when I feel like hauling them), and resource depletion is noticeably improved since each planet draws evenly from all 4 resources vs. pulling as much of one as possible while the others go unused.

I use 4 BIFs each with a dedicated storage silo for P0/P1 storage, an LP dedicated to P2/P3 storage, 3 AIFs, and one ECU. I relocate the ECU once a day (if required) to rotate through the 4 P0s I need, routing them to the appropriate silo. As long as I harvest 576K units of P0 during the 24 hours, that BIF will keep running full time for 3 days while I'm harvesting the other materials. Cost to relocate the ECU is 45Kisk, partially offset by a lack of import/export tax on P1s.

I have an LP so if there's a POCO available I can use it, but I don't need it since I have no imports. Exports can keep up with production by doing a CC launch every 2 days, or I can catch up by launching as fast as the expedited transfer cools down. If that cooldown becomes a problem, beefing up the link from the CC to the LP a grade or 2 will make it manageable.