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Ganking Bears in Nullsec.
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boogaly moogaly
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-11 04:36:59 UTC
Me and a few buddies have grown.... bored of our current level of pew pew. Our alliance is mostly just hanging out, and we don't expect a major deployment any time soon. So, we want to troll around some of our less than friendly neighbors space. We want to target carebears and accumulate a good amount of tears in the process.

We aren't expecting to get "gudfites" etc, however that would be great, too. This is our problem. We're looking for ships that facilitate a good ganking of bears. Something thats preferably covert cloaked, has the ability to break a PvE tank and some EWAR for a defense. We looked at stealth bombers, but that seems really dangerous for small gangs, namely- one hit and you're over.. the DPS isn't great, and a little less versatile than other options.

The next was looking at recon ships and a mix of T3's. This is a bit more expensive but our current pilots could field a Pilgrom, Tengu, etc.. our less skilled guys could get in bombers I suppose.

We also considered just going in straight combat ships, however that makes trolling around enemy space a bit more complicated. We really want to infiltrate enemy space and have a presence there, resource denial and all. Although for the actual fights it would make killing things infinitely easier.

It has been suggested using a bridging Blackops but this a bit more than what we're looking at.

The gang size is probably gonna range from 3-5 guys at most.

Tl;dr: Whats a good fleet comp for some new guys looking to mess around in hostile space for ganking ratters, etc?

Our primary targets will be blingy Battleships and the like, of course.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#2 - 2013-04-11 07:46:28 UTC
Stealth bombers aren't a bad option in packs. Get five of your bros together, launch a volley of torps and the bombs at once, wait for bombs to hit, then fire torps like mad. Most of the time you'll kill most active-tanked ships before he can even call in intel. Don't worry about tanking....SBs take like 8+ seconds to lock onto (if not much longer) by anything BC or bigger. That's a lot of torps and damage.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-04-11 08:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Understand that as soon as you enter an "unfriendly" null-sec system everyone will dock up (if they haven't already when their scouts report your location). So you won't catch a ratting battleship or miner on a random roam unless you are very lucky.

AFK cloaking, while a very disliked tactic, is somewhat more effective (more so relative to a small gang roam).
Simply get an alt or character that can fly a cloaky ship ("tanked" Stealth Bombers are sometimes preferred because they don't have a decloaking delay... or a recon with the proper rigs) and fit it with a covert cyno and a couple points... then stick it in a desired system and leave it online and cloaked for a few days. When people become accustomed to the cloaker's presence start looking for "soft" targets and get a Black-ops with some bombers in position. The rest is self explanatory.

How did you Veterans start?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-04-11 11:53:53 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
boogaly moogaly wrote:
Me and a few buddies have grown.... We want to target carebears and accumulate a good amount of tears in the process.

this is why PvP in Eve is just bad Lol

(ganking bears is the lowest level of pew-pew IMO. Maybe little above of suicide ganking afk-miners. Not sure)

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Kain Duku
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#5 - 2013-04-11 11:57:51 UTC
Cynabals are great for this, dual prop shield fit.

You'll catch plenty if you get quick with the d-scan also if you can have back-up it always helps for when you tackle that lonely carrier who didn't realise you were in local until you had pointed him.

Pirate
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-04-12 01:45:29 UTC
There are lots of fleet composition options for what you want to do.

Many people choose stealth bombers because they can warp and position themselves while cloaked, because they lock rapidly upon decloaking, because they deliver damn good DPS for a frigate, because they can usually add a little EW to their DPS, and because they allow you to bravely hide or run away when the kitchen gets a bit too hot.
Having said that I’ve seen some very effective solo or two-ship cynabal users hassling our guys. Some are logoffski addicts and some rely on speed of action and surprise. Some of these guys have been very good at selecting out our lazier ratters and depriving them of their shiney ships.
Strategic cruisers are also fairly often used in these roles.
Some people run a DPS ship and a cloaky falcon, but if you are tackling dedicated ratters you’re not really going to need the falcon.

Whatever you choose to fly, don’t forget to carry a couple of bubbles. They can add some interesting variation to your efforts.

I don’t agree with a previous poster. Killing ratters is a legitimate subset of PvP. Sure it’s not part of that whole bizarre gudfites mentality, but it’s a reasonable thing to pursue. The main challenge in ratter killing is not pitting your skills and ships against theirs in semi-consensual ‘honourable’ combat, but to find your target and catch them with their pants down. Once you’ve caught them it is pretty much a forgone conclusion, unless they have support very readily available or unless they’re hoping to be caught and are actually intent upon killing you.

Go for it, and please come out to Vale to kill all of our ratters. We’d appreciate the education and you’d be able to get yourself hundreds of very expensive kills … and earn some isk. I think our current bounty is down to a measly 3 billion or so.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#7 - 2013-04-12 16:38:06 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
boogaly moogaly wrote:
Me and a few buddies have grown.... We want to target carebears and accumulate a good amount of tears in the process.

this is why PvP in Eve is just bad Lol

(ganking bears is the lowest level of pew-pew IMO. Maybe little above of suicide ganking afk-miners. Not sure)


it's just only a step above tricking noobs with can flipping.

But here we're talking of people used to consider structure grinding "pvp"
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#8 - 2013-04-12 18:00:03 UTC
Two of my buddies and I in Stealth Bombers ganked a Rattlesnake with 17 of his friendlies in system. If you're patient (both in the large amount of systems over which to iterate and the method in which those systems are entered), you'll find something.

Try not to use bombers that deal the same damage as the rats native to the region in which you'll be hunting.

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-13 02:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsobai Hashimoto
been having fun jumping out of our wh messing with bears. had some fun with some hungarians last night. they tried baiting us and we played along and popped a cov op and his pod

on that note id like to get
better at it....anyone have tips on dropping drag bubbles on a station?

was thinking of just hitting station and bubble up while the others hit up havens and belts and either tackle or flush them to the trap
boogaly moogaly
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-13 06:44:45 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
been having fun jumping out of our wh messing with bears. had some fun with some hungarians last night. they tried baiting us and we played along and popped a cov op and his pod

on that note id like to get
better at it....anyone have tips on dropping drag bubbles on a station?

was thinking of just hitting station and bubble up while the others hit up havens and belts and either tackle or flush them to the trap

We call that a fly catcher haha. it works well if you have enough guys

I think our best bet long run may be just a pilgrim and bridging bombers... For short term probably just plain ole combat ships(cynabals sound nice, as do cheap ganky ruptures etc).. Two people roaming alone in SBs seems meh for taking out pve fit ships from the testing we've done
I'm assuming if we use combat ships they've gotta be quick because we will wanna gtfo once we stir the pot a little too much... Whereas cov ops can just cloak
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-04-13 12:10:24 UTC
boogaly moogaly wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
been having fun jumping out of our wh messing with bears. had some fun with some hungarians last night. they tried baiting us and we played along and popped a cov op and his pod

on that note id like to get
better at it....anyone have tips on dropping drag bubbles on a station?

was thinking of just hitting station and bubble up while the others hit up havens and belts and either tackle or flush them to the trap

We call that a fly catcher haha. it works well if you have enough guys

I think our best bet long run may be just a pilgrim and bridging bombers... For short term probably just plain ole combat ships(cynabals sound nice, as do cheap ganky ruptures etc).. Two people roaming alone in SBs seems meh for taking out pve fit ships from the testing we've done
I'm assuming if we use combat ships they've gotta be quick because we will wanna gtfo once we stir the pot a little too much... Whereas cov ops can just cloak


well our corp is strictly WH lifers, so Black Ops wont work

But living in a C5 it is really common to get 2 or 3 different random nullsec exits at a time early in the chain and we have found it fun to screw with them

pilgrim and a bomber or two has decent results but was thinking i might be able to warp and drop a bubble faster than a ratting bs or two and maybe catch em off the station.....

if i had brought a dictor last I would have setup a drag bubble from the station to the WH before they probed it down, or even one of the gates that they always used to gtfo, though it might have been to late to catch any by the time we noticed what gate they were all using.