Missions & Complexes

Hello!

Just today I did my first L4 and my fit is like this:


[Raven, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

5a Prototype Shield Support I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


And my corpmate us using this fit like this:

[Raven, 2 asb]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor I
Co-Processor I
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

(note that he is doing missions in amarr space and I am doing them in caldari space, therefore different hardeners)


Well, my question is, am I missing something? Did I overlook something significant? Do I not need those rigs or a target painter for more damage applied? I was told that using a target painter is not worth it (by a veteran L4 runner that was/is doing L4s for years)

Not using painters is just plain stupid with any missile mission boat. They help when you need to escape from those elite scram frigs.

I don't use tp either. Been doing alright. My opinion on the topic, tp is not a requirement.

New Setup 1 is alright. I think you will get hurt in the missions that drop you on top of the rats. If you get in trouble, release the drones and when scram rats go after drones, warp out.

2 asb seems like a beefier tank. I don't use asb so I can not tell how much beefier the tank is. But you pay for it with less dps. So you might be staying fighting longer, but doing less dps, so you might end up warping out anyway. I can not tell if this trade off is worth it because I don't fly that kind of fit.

Target painter isn't a requirement, but it does help boost applied damage considerably when using missiles.

What people tend to overlook is that the damage formula for missiles takes the lowest of 3 values, one of which is the product of the ratios of the sig size of you target to expl radius of missiles (directly influenced by target painters) and the explosions velocity of your missile to the velocity of your target.

As even cruiser sized rats tend to outpace the explosion velocity of your missiles you can mitigate this effect by changing the first ratio.



Take a look at the link below if you want to wrap your head around it.

Source:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage



TL;DR - Target Painters Help

New Setup 1 looks good, if a bit heavy on tank. The 2asb fit is just way over tanked with not enough gank for my liking. Guristas are one of the easiest factions to tank as they mainly deal kinetic with a little bit of thermal. I would drop the DC and add a Co-Processor II so you can add a tractor beam, you don't have a prop mod so it will save you a ton of time slowboating to wrecks to scoop mission items. You will also be able to fit a variety of other item in the other utility high, a few that come to mind are salvager, drone link, cloak or a remote armor rep for your drones when they need it.

You should work on getting Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction to 4 as soon as you can, if you haven't already, and then to 5 when you have all the other missile support skills to at least 4. The missile implants for slot 8 and 9 will help out as well as they boost those skills.

Following by the theme suggested by Chi'Nane T'Kal you could eventually go:

[Raven, 2 asb]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2

* You don't need a DCU (I never used one).
* A Signal Amplifier is quite handy to make use of cruise missile range.
* Definitely 2x Rigor and 1x Flare rigs
* CN or DG XL shield booster + Heavy Cap Booster II (build your own cap charges from reprocessed mission junk).
* 100MN Afterburner to make those long trips between gates, reduce incoming dmg, and kite all but Angels.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=394780#post394780

You do me too much credit, I simply wanted to - somewhat - fix the posted fitting without abolishing the dual ASB theme it already had.



Well, they did. It's called 'Typhoon' in the summer expansion :).

You really should try it before knocking it.

Example, I keep at 105 km where I can usually turn-off my hardeners. Targeting range is 121.87 km (can use a meta 4 sig amp if you don't have the skill for T2). Also adds +2 targets.

The AB will keep you away from BS and BC, unless they are Angels, and the movement helps reduce incoming damage. BC typically take 2 volleys. Destroyers are one volley. Cruisers are the most annoying.

I tried using a MJD, and it works too, but I dropped the cap booster to fit it, which I wouldn't recommend to people that don't know what they are doing.

A faction (CN or DG, whatever is cheaper) shield booster should be a priority, so one can drop the co-pro for another BCU. DG or CN hardeners are also decently priced if one avoids invuls.

Leave the auto-targeter inactive. It just brings your target locks up to 11 (+2). I find lots of targets handy for locking frigates, which takes a while. Frigs are also easy to one-shot when they MWD to you, then you can let the drones deal with them when they enter orbit around you.

Feel free to drop the tractor beam or downgrade it to T1 (handy for grabbing mission cans slightly faster). The launchers can be downgraded to Arbalest (meta 4) too if you lack skill.

If you are still looking for CPU, train Launcher Rigging.


[Raven, Standard vs. Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Signal Amplifier II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
X-Large Shield Booster II
100MN Afterburner II

Auto Targeting System I
Small Tractor Beam II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5