Player Features and Ideas Discussion

*votes for swapping the Brutix for a Myrmidon hull*

The bonuses can stay like they are, just let us see more of the Myrm hull and stop there being 4 variations of the Brutix!

Unless..... you have another plan up your sleeve CCP?

And I agree with you. The current problem is pretty severe in that CCP is pretty much removing all hull boosts for reducing cap of lasers, isn't really doing anything to the cap of the hulls, and is remaining firmly entrenched in their silence about whether they are going to fix the cap draw of lasers (or at least stick in something specifying they use less cap when fitted to such and such hull types), and you'd think that rather then getting stuck with everyone constantly bitching at them to do something about the cap, they'd just go and tell us if they were going to do this... instead they maintain their silence, which is starting to make me think that they aren't speaking because they actually intend to go tell us to just screw ourselves.

Why no Faction Myrmidon? Not logical. Unless you plan on swapping the EOS in a Myrm hull.



Brutix looks good. It's a proper oversized Thorax (or undersized Megathron).

Harbinger seems good. Nice shield ship with 5 meds.

Hurricane is what it should have stayed (minus the ehp buff). The Faction one should have got another medslot to allow for better shield tanking, like Harbinger.

Drake gets back some range and accuracy it lost with your (very bad) HML nerf, but has less dps and tank than the old T1. And seems as impossible to fit as Nighthawk.
It's a Cerberus with less dps, less range, less speed, similar price and more tank and slightly better damage application. And nobody flies Cerberus, who sill fly this Drake?

Fixing HML which are totally broken and only useful on Tengus is something you need to do before looking at any HML ships.

But, wouldn't an explosion velocity bonus be better then an explosion radius bonus? After all the explosion still has to expand to it's outermost limits regardless, and if it's doing that at the same speed as always, doesn't that mean that something using speed tank won't still effectively 'dodge' some of it? whereas, with the explosion velocity bonus, it would more directly equate to a 'tracking speed' style bonus in that it would be more likely to defeat a speed tank.

6 launchers at fifty percent bonus equals 9 launchers, how many has the navy version got again? Plus no damage bonuses or resist bonuses. A rof bonus would have been better, and you call me blind... lol

The issue was never about how to use the ship. It's the fact that amarr ships in question that use lasers have a bonus wasted on fitting the actual guns. This idiotic fact is compounded by the realization that since their inception, no effort has been made on the part of CCP to simply REVERSE THE GODDAMN ROLES.
I am not saying they should make it easier to fire them on the ships themselves; I am saying the cap usage bonus should be transferred over to the lasers, so the ship has the same option of two combat bonuses just as any other t1 or faction boat.

Case in point: The Tachyon beam laser uses a base of 95 capacitor to fire. Set aside the fact that it requires over 4000 grid to fit, the fact remains that it is far, FAR above even double the cap usage of any other battleship-sized weapon in the game. Halving the cap usage of this, and other lasers, will mean that amarr gunships can be opened up to the same combat benefits as other racial boats, without trying to half-ass it like they've been doing.

This is a different and more substantive argument than "Why is this new thing necessary?" and I agree, this proposed content is as underwhelming as content can get, the ships are going to be of crappy and overpriced to the point where I kind of wonder what CCP Ytterbium was thinking when he put those numbers and bonuses together.

However that's an argument about the quality and usefulness of the content, the position is basically "If they're going to be this useless they may as well not exist at all." Which is fine having good content that players will actually like and make use of is obviously important.

Its still the case that none of the content in the game needs to be there. Even in in-game terms you don't need dreadnaughts to take down structures or other capital ships, you don't need recon ships. There's no point arguing that something isn't necessary when everything is arbitrary anyway, the actual argument is about whether or not the content actually has a positive effect on the game.

I support this sentiment. Sure, it's nothing new, but the old cane was a Faction ship in disguise. But I mean, old-old cane. Pre-every nerf. That was a faction cane. If we're going back to an old cane, at least give us the Cane that was King. The other Faction BC's (FBC's) seem to be more competitive than Old School Cane.

Looks nice, but IMO cost is going to be the crippling problem. By the time you have the skills to make good use of an expensive faction BC you've also got the skills to fly a command ship, and don't really see what these ships have to offer over their T2/T3 competition (especially once command ships get re-balanced and the truly awful ones are fixed).

This is especially a big problem for the Navy Brutix. As much as I love the idea and consider it the perfect BC, the price tag is just too high for something that demands a glass cannon shield buffer/max-gank fit. I hate to say it, but a faction Myrmidon would probably see a lot more use since its mid-range tank focused strategy makes it a lot less suicidal.

They don't want to reduce the cap usage on lasers as they want to try and keep them as Amarr weapons. As much as I'd love Amarr ships to just have more cap, it's never really going to happen.

How about some role bonuses to using the weapons for these ships alongside the already proposed bonuses?

Navy Harbinger - 50% reduction to laser capacitor usage
The others - 50% reduction to reload time