Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i fear that people were so unhappy with the 1st iteration of the ships that they are overjoyed at the second try for not being competely useless and not ask for the lack fleet gal bs... and accept that the attack bs is a combat and the combat is attack...

but sigh it looks like i will have to live with the changes and just use a rokh for fleets untill a Polish Pass.

Take one of the top slots from domi and trow it down! make it 8 Lows!!!!! You reduced even further the dominix DPS with this balance!

Seems there turning the old ships into the new Navy Ships (least the good old ship's).

The Domi needs something. I can't quite figure out what the heck its missing, but it is missing something. There has been talk about an updated Dominix model. I'm thinking that would help.. well it would help a ton ( A refresh on the spacepotato, spacecow, rottensneaker, floatingturdmobile would help ).

Fitting wise... I guess the question is that no one has really fit out a "Pure" droneboat, and used it to great success. The main question that I can figure is... well what do we do with the highslots, they have no bonus. THe armageddon is getting both a Neut range bonus, plus its high slots can fit any weapon system (getting equal launcher and turret hard points). Yes it is unbonused but it gains flexibility like the Prophecy. I'm fine with that.

The Dominix does need something. I believe It needs a bonus to the Microwarp Drive speed of drones. It needs a way to get Heavy Drones moving fast enough to warrant their deployment. The Algos has it as a role bonus.

Algos
Role bonus:
25% bonus to drone microwarpdrive speed

That might do it. It would give the Dominix the option to deploy as a sentry platform, or to muscle its way into 40+ and closer range and use its highslots for rails/blaster mix as well as giving the Heavy Drones more movement they need to deploy out and be effective (Rather than the heavy drones spending 20 to 40 seconds MWD over to the ship to go blow it up.

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% and Drone microwarpdrive speed.
+10% Drone Damage, Drone hitpoints, Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed

That would probably do it. Though I'm not totally sure heavy's even having 25% more mwd speed would be enough for them (for mediums and lights, definetly, but heavies...).

Id love to see that rep bonus gone from the Hyperion so its more viable for fleets, perhaps a falloff bonus would be more appropriate?

The problem with repair bonus' is you are limiting the ship to 1 function, Maelstroms suffer the same fate and to a lesser extent, Astares, Myrm's, Cyclones (which.most people fly buffer tanked!).

I know some people will call herasy at the suggestion but surely if you are doing tiericide to make ships get used more then surely you should remove the bonus' like this that shoehorn the ship into 1 role.

Im getting ready for a few slaps but I had to speak my mind, sorry :)

Well the difficulty is twofold: First, Gallente boats NEED to close into point-blank range in order to apply dps, but when they get there, they're expected to be bricks. So you can't have the mobility and the brick nature together; they compete with each other. Some solutions would be: longer range webs to hold targets to get into range (already taken), lowering the sig bloom from MWD (irrelevant on a large sig'd BS), or quick spool up on MJD (an instant "blink;" useful to close in, but OP), just to name a few, but all beset with problems. So then Gallente get a "rep bonus" that means their ships can be fast, but that has its own unique set of problems--

Second, CCP has already "given out" resist bonuses to Amarr, so the other tank bonus has to go to Gallente (the active rep bonus). Since the rep bonus is terrible (due to the nature of active repping/not applying to buffer/not useful for logi/poor performance of modules/cap use, etc.) and Blasters (or rails, which aren't very Gallente anyway) don't have any "special snowflake" quality (*cough* high alpha Maels wasting their shield boost bonus but still being useful), the Gallente boats don't have anything going for them, so-to-speak. Domis can't sniper kite, because they'd have to leave their sentries behind, they don't neut as well as the other drone BS, and Hyperions and Megas can't close range/apply damage well enough to be relevant in a fleet situation. They'd have to be too tanky to survive the approach, as to be too op tanked in range, or too fast/instant that'd break the balance.

And if you're smart, and on the opposing side of a close-range Gallente BS fleet, and you spot the MJD graphic spooling up for 12 sec, you're aligned and ready to leave when they pop in anyway. :S

Also, extra midslot, falloff bonus, humm shield hyperion might actually work!

Issue: Dominix Change

If anything, the change you've made to the Dominix is a gigantic nerf. If people were worried about the tracking of drones they would simply attach an omnidirectional tracking link, but now due to your incompetence to see the utility of a Dominix in a PvE setting you've nerfed a large portion of its potential damage.

You just boosted a perfect drone boat with a useless bonus that was already handed by an omnidirectional tracking link.

Seriously, don't make changes to boats you don't understand, because clearly you don't understand what mods are.

or they can fix the rep bonus by making the 7.5% also affect cap activation and make the heat bonus better.

Its the whole Buffer VS Active Tank debate. The active tank does not help the ship in massive fleet fights. In very small groups with no logistics.. yes it can do wonders if its not neuted to death (then again, we use cap batt's for that). The main arguement, least as far as I can see, is that while the ships lighter, faster, it will die in a fire long before it can get close enough to actually Do anything (or blow up before someone can repair it). The active repairer doesn't help in large fleet combat.

You can go two extremes.. Massive EHP, or massive Hit Points. You go too high on the hit points, the ship becomes too buffed with its abilitiy to repair, but it lives longer under massive fire. Massive EHP... same issue, that and it turns into an Amarr ship.

If damage is done gradually, the active repair ships would be awesome. If the dev's decided to figure out how to make the active repair modules (shield and armor repairers), cause a slowed bleeding damage stacking effect, they'd be much better, especially for fleet doctrines without logistics. Then again something like that would probably be a bit too good.

Its an odd balance between tank and defense. The ships issue is that its literally either alpha-d immediately, or it can't get close enough to actively apply its damage in any meaningful way. You'd have to sacrifice tank for repairers, and more tank and/or mids for range enhancers to effectively get blasters working at 30+km. Issue is that everything beyond 16km is all Falloff damage.

Depending on how this goes...the Hyperion literally might need a hit point buff. Probably 4000 in the shields (gets burned off the initial 10 seconds of hitting the field anyway, but the ship gains reaction time) and 5000 in the hull (all real brawlers hull tank anyway).

... actually yea come to think of it buff the hull like 5000 hit points. It'd defiantly die under fire allot more gloriously, and give it a way of living long enough for some if its damn repair's to actually.. well repair. Heck make it something like 7000+ more hull hit points. With a DCU (which most people put on their ships as a default), it'd give the hull itself roughtly 32000 hit points

8000 hull + 7000 in additional hull armor, at 60% resists, about 32000 ehp just in the hull. Yea.. feels right. Ship should be on fire when it hits the field, and should live long enough to take at least Someone out.

Good to know that free midslots aren't scarce or valuable.