Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have suggested turning the Dominix into a BS logi ship, it got ripped apart by non supporters.

I didn't realize that my account had lapsed, so by the time I actually get to reply to this thread, you've already fixed the horrendous changes that you started out with.

I'm not really all that opposed to the domi changes, but you really need to nerf the Geddon if you're going through with these domi changes. It should not have 125mb of bandwidth as well as a damage bonus, and the bloody neut bonus.

The mega is probably one of my favorite ships in Eve, and since I only fly Gallente, it has been my only halfway decent choice for fleets due to the hype's shittiness and the domi's reliance on drones and the problems associated with that. I'm honestly a bit ambivalent about the newest changes. The mega had a great slot layout for low sec gang fits, because you could fit neutrons, a heavy cap booster, a good buffer tank, and a heavy neut, and in the aggregate, this was a great fleet comp because it allowed you to have in your face dps, good neuting capabilities against capitals, and most importantly it spread those capabilities around the fleet so that you weren't ****** if your lynchpin ship went down or was otherwise incapacitated. The biggest weakness of this setup was tank. I had about five slots for tank, but it always lost out on resists compared to the Abaddon and the dps was not quite enough to make up for this fact, added to the fact that the CPU was not quite enough to get a proper 2nd EANM on there.

So after using the mega this way, I find myself both happy and sad to see the newest iteration. I'm glad that we get another low to make up this difference with the Abaddon, either in the form of more damage with a mag stab, more range with a TE, or more tank with another resist mod. But I'm also sad to see that versatility with the high slot gone. I honestly would have preferred you just give the mega a bit more CPU and keep the slot layout as is, with some adjustments to mobility, mass, and maybe some base stats, but I'll get to that next. As it is now it seems like it's just trying to imitate the Rohk and the Abaddon without really being able to measure up to either one.

In any case, there's something more important that needs to be discussed beyond the slot layout, and it's something I'm surprised I haven't seen brought up before now. Back before the hybrid changes, most of us were complaining about the flawed design philosophy of putting the shortest range guns on some of the slowest ships in EVE (by way of armor tanks) and expecting that to be effective. When the blasters got changed, you all acknowledged that it was not enough by itself to fix the problem, but that with the ship rebalancing coming up we would be in a position to fix it totally.

With these newest changes, I don't see any real change to this flawed philosophy. The ships are still not fast enough to cover enough distance to make a difference, and even when they are, the dps is just not enough to really make up for the HP you've already lost getting to target. You've given the mega slightly more DPS with the ROF bonus, but it gets almost negated by the loss of the two heavy drones. Those two heavies account for about 130 dps at max skills, and that's not an insignificant number. You can almost make up for it with a third mag stab, but that just puts us right back where we were, except without the utility of the heavy neut, and with just as many tank issues as before.

What I'm getting at here is that this is really a roundabout nerf to the mega, a small but important one. The mega needs more speed and more dps to truly be effective. This bad boy should be going over 1k/s with it's MWD on, and it should get the full bay of heavies back so that we're actually getting something for the loss of utility. The entire Gall BS line was unhealthy before these changes, and really with the updated changes, you're not helping their position out, which ultimately is a nerf, since the other races had ships with combat philosophies that actually made sense and were usable. At the fundamental level, these changes aren't going to make the mega balanced with the other races BS choices, and the mega needs something more than just a different version of the same failed combat philosophy that it's always had.

It already is, but not at massive rep ranges associated with dedicated logi ships.

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Hope so :3

Not to be rude to the rest of CCP, but Kil2/CCP Rise certainly seems more efficient at heeding player feedback.
The new hyperion is absolutely awesome.

Pure speculation here, but what would happen if the dominix was revamped into the Gallente's disruption battleship?

Why not keep the mega is it is? the utility high slot was fun and helped make the ship versatile and diffrent from the other mega's out there. All the ship really needed is the change in damage bonus.

It would actually be fitting if the Domi was turned into a BS support ship. The Geddon more borderlines a disruption ship rather than a combat ship. The Caldari already have a disruption BS and the Minmatar two attack ships. Why not give the Gallente something unique and give them a support BS?

No no no no. The original changes proposed to the Hyperion/Megathron were excellent. Why did you have to go back?

Why are you forcing us to armor tank? Armor tanking is still far inferior to Shield Tanking. Give us some viable armor tanking options and maybe this would be a good change.

so now we still have no fleet ship for gallente
the dominix just doesn't work in big fleets due to drone travel timer or sentries not moving at all
because of that I think that the dominix should be the ship to get the repair bonus together with a 10% to all drone stats (damage, range, tracking,speed, control range, HP, effect,)
and the layout it has right now
the dominix already works well in a active tank setup so this is the perfect ship for that bonus

Dominix:
6h 5m 7l 6t
+7,5% armor repair amount per level
+10% to all drone stats per level


Hyperion:
as a fleet ship the Hyperion would be perfect with a big tank good damage
and a 20% falloff bonus along the suggested 10% hybrid damage but a slightly changed slot layout
6h 5m 8l 6t
this would make it able to fit a tank equal to rokh mael and baddon while having more dps at a litle less range then those 3
and lots of utility for eccm mwd cap-booster and 2
but only small 50/50 drone config
this would make it work in big 100+ fleet fights


the Megathron works best as it is right now with good utility good speed and its spare highslot
and a 125/175 drone config for lots of flexibility as a small gang hit and run brawler
when roaming solo or in a 2-3 man group the spare highslot just trumps the low or med it could get instead