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The Future of Wardecs

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Alekksander Geinesa
Divine Mortals
#421 - 2013-04-10 03:12:02 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Alekksander Geinesa wrote:

2.) Simply allow a corp to pay a very high cost/insurance/optional payment word here each month to concord to either increase the price it costs to war dec them, or make it impossible to wardec them. Make this 5x the price that it costs to war dec that corp.

3.) Make it so that when the aggressor creates a war dec they HAVE to put a terms of surrender in the dec. In a value of ISK, allowing the defenders to pay this value, and not be allowed to be war decced again for X number of days..



I agree with everything you said except point number 2.

For an example:

We dec ivy league weekly so they would be more than willing to pay lets say 3 billion a week to disallow our dec. This would be the same for major alliances that get decced by lets say freight club. They see the dec, they pay the astronomical number, then they are immune.

CCP has been doing a great job with the ship re-balances lately which are mostly for PVP players. Once last year they had an expansion for mining barges but other than that everything is war based. Why do all these changes for war and then make people immune to it?

As most things go in life the 2% that are unhappy with things are the most vocal.


I really like your #3 in the sense that the deccing corp can potentially make money from it and the person thats decced can get out of the war quickly. With the recent dec changes repeated decs on that entity wont be possible.



I see your ideals there, number 2 was really more so that the bunny rabbits wouldnt cry...


Point 2 is my least fav.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#422 - 2013-04-10 15:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
I think I have an idea...a) make war initiation or dodging a bidding war and b) pay out the war dec costs

Phase 1: War initiation (or dodge) goes to the highest bidder
- Agressor corp submits 200m to dec defender corp
- Defender corp has 12 hours to submit a higher no-dec fee (in increments of 10m). I.e. Defendir submits 210m for 'no war'.
- If agressor up's his bid to 220m, the cycle continues until 12 hours is reached, and war ensues
- If defender up's his bid to highest at 230m, that money is given to the agressor AND agressor cannot re-dec for 1 week

Phase 2: War pays (getting defenders to bring fights)
- Agressors war fees (220m) are put into a pot
- Defender is paid out of that pot for agressor ships killed
- As soon as pot reaches zero, war is invalidated (or after a week, whichever comes first)
- [optional] At end of war agressor gets back whatever is left in the pot

Discuss....

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#423 - 2013-04-10 15:14:57 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I think I have an idea...a) make war initiation or dodging a bidding war and b) pay out the war dec costs

Phase 1: War initiation (or dodge) goes to the highest bidder
- Agressor corp submits 200m to dec defender corp
- Defender corp has 12 hours to submit a higher no-dec fee (in increments of 10m). I.e. Defendir submits 210m for 'no war'.
- If agressor up's his bid to 220m, the cycle continues until 12 hours is reached, and war ensues
- If defender up's his bid to highest at 230m, that money is given to the agressor AND agressor cannot re-dec for 1 week

Phase 2: War pays (getting defenders to bring fights)
- Agressors war fees (220m) are put into a pot
- Defender is paid out of that pot for agressor ships killed
- As soon as pot reaches zero, war is invalidated (or after a week, whichever comes first)
- [optional] At end of war agressor gets back whatever is left in the pot

Discuss....


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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#424 - 2013-04-10 15:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I think I have an idea...a) make war initiation or dodging a bidding war and b) pay out the war dec costs

Phase 1: War initiation (or dodge) goes to the highest bidder
- Agressor corp submits 200m to dec defender corp
- Defender corp has 12 hours to submit a higher no-dec fee (in increments of 10m). I.e. Defendir submits 210m for 'no war'.
- If agressor up's his bid to 220m, the cycle continues until 12 hours is reached, and war ensues
- If defender up's his bid to highest at 230m, that money is given to the agressor AND agressor cannot re-dec for 1 week

Phase 2: War pays (getting defenders to bring fights)
- Agressors war fees (220m) are put into a pot
- Defender is paid out of that pot for agressor ships killed
- As soon as pot reaches zero, war is invalidated (or after a week, whichever comes first)
- [optional] At end of war agressor gets back whatever is left in the pot

Discuss....


Carebears are spacerich.Sad


If they are, then you get paid. They get that dec dodge they have always asked for, but they have to pay you the agressor to get it :)

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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#425 - 2013-04-10 15:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Maximo
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I think I have an idea...a) make war initiation or dodging a bidding war and b) pay out the war dec costs

Phase 1: War initiation (or dodge) goes to the highest bidder
- Agressor corp submits 200m to dec defender corp
- Defender corp has 12 hours to submit a higher no-dec fee (in increments of 10m). I.e. Defendir submits 210m for 'no war'.
- If agressor up's his bid to 220m, the cycle continues until 12 hours is reached, and war ensues
- If defender up's his bid to highest at 230m, that money is given to the agressor AND agressor cannot re-dec for 1 week

Phase 2: War pays (getting defenders to bring fights)
- Agressors war fees (220m) are put into a pot
- Defender is paid out of that pot for agressor ships killed
- As soon as pot reaches zero, war is invalidated (or after a week, whichever comes first)
- [optional] At end of war agressor gets back whatever is left in the pot

Discuss....



If I were to do this system for over 40 wars then I would go mad. This would also mess up the billing system to keep the dec alive.

I liked what was discussed earlier if anything.

Pay the fee to war dec but have a buyout set kind of like ebay. If they pay the buyout you get the money back(or partial to bribe concord), dont get the war for 2 weeks, and the war is considered over with.

This would give carebears a chance to pay up or shut up and also a way for high sec war deccers to potentially make a living. However some people can't be bought so a unreasonable buyout would be placed.

edit: Would be interesting to see what certrain carebear corps would pay to stay free of wars. Im sure incursion runners would pay a few bil Twisted

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Max Gomes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#426 - 2013-07-05 21:14:23 UTC
I think that there should be no war allowed in highsec space. Im just part of a small mining corp and some people just decide to decc on us and we can't do much. War should only be allowed in 0.4 to -1.0 because some people just try to make a decent living in eve but there are those who just on purposely decc on every peaceful corp out there. one such is I will Rule Eve like i rule WOW. they just decc on peaceful corps and then kill them for no reason.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#427 - 2013-07-05 21:54:22 UTC
Max Gomes wrote:
I think that there should be no war allowed in highsec space. Im just part of a small mining corp and some people just decide to decc on us and we can't do much. War should only be allowed in 0.4 to -1.0 because some people just try to make a decent living in eve but there are those who just on purposely decc on every peaceful corp out there. one such is I will Rule Eve like i rule WOW. they just decc on peaceful corps and then kill them for no reason.


No offence but you should HTFU and high sec is not safe sec.

Having no wars in high sec goes against everything eve stands for and really only carebears support such a move because they are too weak and stupid to get around such a problem.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#428 - 2013-07-05 21:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Singular Snowflake wrote:
CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.


I have subscribed to EVE with the belief that the above statement has always been one of the core values of our beloved game. It is the one thing that makes this MMO different from all the other "Hello Kitty Online" games out there.

Today I was shocked to find one of CCP's own employees making the following statement in the recent CSM meeting minutes (page 68):

CCP Solomon wrote:
Should it [wardecs] be limited to each party's ability to engage and fight, though? I mean that's what we're trying to zero in on: that consensual, high-sec engagement where its mutual, and both sides have the ability to participate and cause losses and cause damage, that's the kind of thing we want to be moving towards and encouraging.

CCP Solomon wrote:
I'm just stimulating conversation here. If we're going to balance the system, you need to understand what the primary goal is that you're trying to satisfy. And is that you want mutual high-sec engagements, or do I want a situation where one side is the complete aggressor, where the strong preys on the weak, and [the] weak [huddle in stations].


Is this really CCP's official stance? Is making all high-sec engagements mutual really CCP's primary goal?

In my eyes the very idea of forcing wardecs to be consensual and "honourable" duels is an abomination against the very idea of EVE. It is not simply a change within the game, it is changing the game itself.

Please discuss your opinions about CCP Solomon's radical new ideas about EVE in this thread, but lets keep the trolling to the minimum.

Edit: Here is a really good writeup on the positions of different CSM and CCP members about the issue. Remember the names of these pro-hellokitty CSM members in the upcoming election.


Honestly the thought of that literally made me sick to my stomach!!! (no joke)

CCP Solomon: That is NOT the kind of thing CCP should be moving towards and encouraging. Your not stimulating conversation - You are shutting down the Essence of EvE by even bringing this conversation up. It should not even be discussed. We do want a situation where one side is the complete aggressor, but you are ASSUMING that the other side huddles in stations.

The other side suddenly realizes that they are living in Space: a harsh cold living environment and they need to take steps to protect themselves and their assets. This is the very CORE of EvE, the very HEART, and you are talking about ripping out the very HEART of EvE itself.

I was in a 1 month old corp when we had 5 decs on us right on top of each other. We did not huddle, we did not whine, we did not demand fair play and CCP stop them. We fought, we died, and we learned quickly what EvE was about. So before you start thinking that the defending corps are a bunch of whiners that only want FAIR PLAY think again.

***Let's also look at how the Market would suffer if wars were mutual. Attention

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