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How to counter ships that can kite?
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thatguy anoobaccount
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-09 22:22:59 UTC
Every time I go solo PVP I get killed by something that just kites.

It's quite aggravating.

What would be your tips in countering this?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2013-04-09 22:42:41 UTC
What are you normally flying?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-09 22:42:56 UTC
(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).

(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.

(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-04-09 22:51:32 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).

(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.

(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite.

or just quit soloing as it is died out already :P
go fly with Liang he will show you how to properly gank someone
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-04-09 22:53:52 UTC
Kiting ships often have either low dps or low tank, and thus have trouble dealing with, respectively, strong tanks and webby/scrammy things.

thhief ghabmoef
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-09 22:58:16 UTC
thatguy anoobaccount wrote:
Every time I go solo PVP I get killed by something that just kites.

It's quite aggravating.

What would be your tips in countering this?


Web Loki?
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#7 - 2013-04-09 23:11:10 UTC
Eve has no solo pvp. if you specialize to catch kiters then you will be back here again in a few days. Asking how to deal with something else you opened yourself up to.

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#8 - 2013-04-10 00:12:23 UTC
I love how many people insist that solo pvp is dead or dieing yet I know loads of solo'ers and corp focusing on that style of gameplay.

To the OP

It basically comes down to how you setup the fight. If you are in a scram range brawler you need to be able to get them to land on top of you or you land on top of them.
Agony (and a lot of other people) call this 'fishing' . You can also use things like FW plex's as well.
for eg. If you are chasing a known kite ship and they are in a plex then don't go in as they will probably be setup at range and will nab you as soon as you appear. But if you are in a plex sitting on the warpin then you'll stand a decent chanc of cacthing them and murdering them.

Bascially the kiter is the counter to the brawler and vice versa but only if you engage on your terms this is the key to good solo pvp rather than ship types/fits.

Another method os using long range weapons with a scram kiter setup like a rail incursus/arty rifter etc. If you get caught by a low tank kiter then you can at least swap ammo and hit them at range. you won't be able to keep a hold of them but if they get cocky or not paying attention then you may well kill them.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-10 01:05:46 UTC
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.

Art of Explosions
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#10 - 2013-04-10 01:52:04 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.


Spoken like a true E-uni student!


Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2013-04-10 02:46:33 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I love how many people insist that solo pvp is dead or dieing yet I know loads of solo'ers and corp focusing on that style of gameplay.


but solo is dead, I have to justify the blobbing somehow! love the blob, solo is dead, I went pvping solo once and got blobbed, blobbedity blob *oh god I'm dead inside* blobey blob blob!

personally I love small gang, but have flown solo a bit. I should probably go join RvB for a bit, as I haven't really been in game since before all the teiricide.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-10 04:04:29 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).

(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.

(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite.


Only (c) is valid.P
Dan Carter Murray
#13 - 2013-04-10 04:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
damps, TDs, ECM, missiles

other than that: don't engage known kiting ships if you are a slow brawler unless it's on your terms

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-10 04:26:08 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
damps, TDs, ECM, missiles

other than that: don't engage known kiting ships if you are a slow brawler.


The most you can do is having them warp off...
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2013-04-10 04:43:55 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.

Spoken like a true E-uni student!

Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.

Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.
Mukun
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-04-10 04:52:31 UTC
a lot of sensor dampers
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#17 - 2013-04-10 06:00:13 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.

Spoken like a true E-uni student!

Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.

Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.


I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member Twisted
But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply.

Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-04-10 13:27:06 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.

Spoken like a true E-uni student!

Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.

Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.


I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member Twisted
But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply.

Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.


I don't get it, how do you kite in a brawling anything?

Art of Explosions
Alien Youth
The forsaken swarm
#19 - 2013-04-10 13:34:56 UTC
Get a vexor and shild fit it.
All frigs and tier 3 BC's are free game.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#20 - 2013-04-10 15:08:15 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.

Spoken like a true E-uni student!

Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.

Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.


I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member Twisted
But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply.

Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.


Quite a few good frig brawlers have excellent projection in scram range and run mwd/scram/web, Harpy is my personal favourite. There's also rail fit ab frigs like the Incursus which can beat brawlers by kiting in scram range and still hit to past 24km and since most kiters are very frail you'll usually drive them off at least. Another option is droneboats like Tristan/Ishkur as they can set bonused drones on kiting frigs far away but they're less effective as they can be killed and if you lose all your drones you'll probably die.
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