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Cloning Facility Security

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Moran Neru
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-09 10:49:43 UTC
I have been wondering about the security measures a cloning facility would employ. Capsuleers usually make a lot of enemies, so I was wondering about what's stopping someone from permanently eliminating a capsuleer by killing his clone(s) the moment he dies.
I am thinking about something in the vein of massive internal security, redundancy levels amongst the clones and a general consensus amongst the capsuleer population about leaving each other’s clones alone.
If anyone knows the thruth, or has a good idea themselves Iabout this topic, I would like to hear about it.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-04-09 13:49:45 UTC
I'd think it'd heavily depend on the capsuleer. Rookies and less paranoid (and/or more peaceful) capsuleers might be okay using corporate-sponsored facilities whose securities can't neccesarily be certain to be perfect.

The more paranoid, among us, on the other hand...

...yeah, "massive internal security, redundancy levels, and tons of diagnostics to check for tampering" sounds about right.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-10 02:05:32 UTC
I remember back before WiS changed everything about capsuleer lore other than they fly in jove designed capsules there was mention that whenever a capsuleer was actually out of his capsule, they would have a sizable contingent of armed guards who escort them everywhere they go.

I'd imagine that there would be extreme security measures for the clone(s). The case of public cloning bays, I'd imagine the clones within them would be entirely hidden and anonymous until they are needed.

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2013-04-10 12:59:15 UTC
I think it's safe to say security is a paramount priority in the cloning facilities. There's a reason those clones cost so much, after all, and it's not all because biomass is expensive.

Imagine what could happen if, say, the facility was hacked into and your clone data messed with? I actually wrote a mission like this for the Angel Cartel epic arc back when I freelanced, but I'm unsure if it actually made it in...

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Raven Solaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-10 13:46:09 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
I think it's safe to say security is a paramount priority in the cloning facilities. There's a reason those clones cost so much, after all, and it's not all because biomass is expensive.

Imagine what could happen if, say, the facility was hacked into and your clone data messed with? I actually wrote a mission like this for the Angel Cartel epic arc back when I freelanced, but I'm unsure if it actually made it in...


I believe it did;

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Yukiro Demense is a capsuleer. With all those clones, he’ll be a tough one to break, but we have plenty of experience when it comes to dealing with this sort of problem. Our friends over at Serpentis Inquest were also more than willing to offer their expertise on this matter after the Guristas attacked their research facility. This Demense punk just made some very powerful enemies.

You’ll be travelling to a local black market cloning facility, one that we’ve been happy to ignore until now. The facility administrator took a heavy bribe from Demense to allow one of his clones access, and so of course, they had their license and all good standings with us permanently revoked. Intelligence indicates that Demense is reliant on this facility to support his raids. With a clone backup available locally, he has been able to return to the fight without recloning in Venal up north.

Your first task is to storm this facility and make an example of the people there. Let nobody survive; their deaths must send a message across Curse. Once you have dealt with this indiscretion, you need to deliver a special data payload into their central database hub. As soon as you approach the hub, the data will auto transmit a special virus engineered by our Inquest friends.

Do this and report back to me. I will have further instructions for you at that point. I’m uploading the data to your Fluid Router now. Good luck, “name”.


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You’ve done well. The traitorous administrator and his peons were justly removed from the picture and Demense’s local clone is now compromised.

The next step is getting him to reanimate into it.


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Demense is still in Curse. I’d say his superiors have become aware that the hammer of a thousand Angels is about to come crashing down on him and are keeping the fool out here on “deployment."

Your task is to put the insolent little maggot down. Once he reanimates into that new clone, he’ll be a non-issue. As I said before, “name”, the man made some powerful enemies. We have chosen our friends wisely, and if you only knew what they were capable of doing to your clone, you’d understand why we want them on our side.

Go, kill him. If you succeed, perhaps I will share the true nature of Demense’s fate with you.

Be ready for a fight. Even the simplest of brutes can be competent fighters, and he likely won’t go down so easily now he knows what you’re capable of.


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Serpentis Inquest just confirmed the reanimation of his local clone. You’ve done well, “name”. Loyalty and a capacity to deliver results, these are both admirable qualities that will get you far within our organization.

You’ve caught the attention of my superiors, in fact, it seems they have a need for a capsuleer, and one who has already proven themselves trustworthy and capable. When you want the details for your new contact, I can pass them along.

Demense’s fate? Let’s just say that he has contracted a disease which is going to follow him from clone to clone.

Eternity is not all it’s cracked up to be.

Let me know when you’re ready to move on.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-04-10 20:01:43 UTC
As Raven has shown, it did indeed.

And it is awesome.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2013-04-11 02:07:32 UTC
Demense reminds me of someone who has many names. Perhaps something similar had happened to The Broker?

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Dasquirrel715
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-04-15 09:15:44 UTC
There was one chronicle somewhere that addressed this question somewhat. Other chronicles have addressed this. For one, clones are a concord mandated and protected facet of capsuleer life. Hence part of our pilots license (hurr durr plex) and thus something that concord protects.

Also the empires that train these capsuleers put lots of money into them as assets, and sabotaging the rest would set a precedent that might dissuade new capsuleers from being trained.

Lastly, in a chronicle it was addressed how capsuleers are putting the clone bays on our most massive of ships (titan/rorq cloning bays) and in our own sovereign space. (0.0)
Velarra
#9 - 2013-04-18 15:42:18 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
I think it's safe to say security is a paramount priority in the cloning facilities. There's a reason those clones cost so much, after all, and it's not all because biomass is expensive.

Imagine what could happen if, say, the facility was hacked into and your clone data messed with? I actually wrote a mission like this for the Angel Cartel epic arc back when I freelanced, but I'm unsure if it actually made it in...


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Demense’s fate? Let’s just say that he has contracted a disease which is going to follow him from clone to clone.


Which disease? The disease the Jove were infected with while in Heaven?
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-21 22:13:30 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Demense reminds me of someone who has many names. Perhaps something similar had happened to The Broker?

A plot twist: it was The Broker.