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TIBUS HETH ANGRILY DENOUNCES CALDARI PRIME DMZ, BLASTS ISHUKONE AND SUVEE PARTICIPATION

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-04-10 10:23:04 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Simple and in short, *I believe* that if we are to define "what it means to be Caldari" with serving the traditions and ways of the State and it's leadership, then Diana Kim is *not* Caldari by definition. Again I am sure that her peers in the State has a fitting word to describe her, *Thus I would leave it for them to define her in spite of my voiced opinion.*


Pilot Bloodbird,

Your understanding of the State is significant, I respect that. Allow me to touch on this point.

Being "Caldari" is not so simple as simply honoring and serving the traditions and ways of the State, this is being respectful. Being Caldari is about service and loyalty to the Caldari people. As has been expressed by others, there are many ways to serve. To expound upon the points made by Scherezad-haani and Weitong-haan (and excusing Commander Kim-haani's misunderstanding of the position of Executor in the State):

When we Caldari commit ourselves to service, we do so completely. To some, this means following and serving one's leaders with fierce loyalty, extreme dedication and unending commitment. These individuals do not possess the traits necessary to become leaders in Caldari society but our society highly honors these individuals. Their merit is built upon their service, they obtain honor and status through the worth of their actions. This means that even if elements of Caldari society were to disagree with these individuals' actions and the actions of their leaders; they would still respect their dedication and willingness to serve.

To others, this means becoming an example of what they consider to be service to the Caldari people. These individuals strive to understand the needs of the whole and of those around them, then decide on how best to meet these needs and accomplish the necessary tasks before them. This involves necessary delegation to others, sacrifice for the good of the many and committed service to community. These individuals rise to leadership positions in our society, not through opposition to current leadership but simply by the worth of their actions. In this way, an individual becomes and example to others and that example (if it contains merit and embodies the will of the Caldari) will gain a following, eventually and inevitably culminating in leadership.

The Caldari need and honor both types of individuals. Both types of individuals are "Caldari" and both types serve heiian.

~Malcolm Khross

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-04-10 12:34:35 UTC
Khross, Kim is a mentally deficient, severely deluded lunatic. If the State "needs" her in any way other than an example of what not to become, there is something deeply wrong with the State.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#103 - 2013-04-10 12:50:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Khross, Kim is a mentally deficient, severely deluded lunatic. If the State "needs" her in any way other than an example of what not to become, there is something deeply wrong with the State.


Ixiris,

In science a catalyst is any substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction. They are prized for their ability to bring about change or precipitate a reaction necessary to achieve an end result. Singularly, a catalyst is useless and good for almost nothing, but combine it with the correct substance and the desired reaction occurs.

Interestingly, this same definition is applied on societal and governmental affairs and catalysts are looked upon in much the same way.

~Malcolm Khross

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-04-10 12:53:08 UTC
I wonder, can Ixiris say at least something, that is not completely ravings of a madman?
So far he was only spitting lies and insults and showed himself completely unable to communicate as a thinking respectable human.
I think it is not even gallentean behaviour, but more like primitive tribal, even worse than minmatar.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-04-10 12:55:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I wonder, can Ixiris say at least something, that is not completely ravings of a madman?

I wonder, can Kim construct a grammatically correct sentence that doesn't look like someone with severe brain damage or a complete lack of education wrote it?

(No.)

Diana Kim wrote:
So far he was only spitting lies and insults and showed himself completely unable to communicate as a thinking respectable human.
I think it is not even gallentean behaviour, but more like primitive tribal, even worse than minmatar.

>talks about respect
>immediately begins throwing racist insults

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-04-10 13:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
So far he was only spitting lies and insults and showed himself completely unable to communicate as a thinking respectable human.
I think it is not even gallentean behaviour, but more like primitive tribal, even worse than minmatar.

>talks about respect
>immediately begins throwing racist insults

I really could talk about respect. And mostly because you don't deserve respect, and on these reasons:

- you are not a caldari
- you belong to subhuman race
- you are not a respectful person
- you are not a smart person
- you are not a person who can talk business
- you are a combat pilot who can't fight
- you lie like in approximately 9 cases of 10
- you never showed respect to anyone
- you never actually did anything worth or respect

Quite more than enough reasons to not give respects to creature like you, isn't it?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-04-10 14:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Diana Kim wrote:
- you are not a caldari

Correct.

Diana Kim wrote:
- you belong to subhuman race
- you are not a respectful person
- you are not a smart person
- you are not a person who can talk business
- you are a combat pilot who can't fight
- you lie like in approximately 9 cases of 10
- you never showed respect to anyone
- you never actually did anything worth or respect

All wrong. You can't prove any of these assertions, and I dare you to prove me wrong.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#108 - 2013-04-10 14:40:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I wonder, can Kim construct a grammatically correct sentence that doesn't look like someone with severe brain damage or a complete lack of education wrote it?


Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Khross, Kim is a mentally deficient, severely deluded lunatic. If the State "needs" her in any way other than an example of what not to become, there is something deeply wrong with the State.


Sir;

having a mental deficiency does not prevent one from constructing a grammatically correct sentence. The incidence of cognitive disorder in the Capsuleer community is staggering in comparison to the baseline population, and you would be better served in showing more respect to the condition.

I apologize for the bluntness, but have been pressed to speak in a straightforward manner.

Commander Kim-haani;

Please, don't let these conversations on the IGS get you too upset :)
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-04-11 11:28:23 UTC
Worry not, haani.
One needs much more wits or at least something greater than just empty words to make a combat officer upset.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alesius Lerance
Chrysos Aigis
#110 - 2013-04-19 22:22:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Alesius Lerance wrote:
As much as I would enjoy retaking the space around our homeworld and storming the Presidential bureau, we must accept the reality of the situation. This war is not moving toward any sort of conclusion and has achieved nearly nothing for both sides. At least with the Homeworld a DMZ we have chance of opening further dialogue with a view to maintaining our sovereignty there. We can't defeat the Gallente, and they can't defeat us. We don't have to be friends, but I feel the time for hostility is over.

Lerance-haan, we are here to represent our nation. We cannot give up and turn back. It is our duty to fight for those, who stays at home. It is our duty, to fight and to win. We cannot afford now to discard everything we achieved so far and start bargaining with animals. We must fulfill our duty or perish trying. Because our ancestors are watching us.


I don't deny that our ancestors are watching us, but they would not want us needlessly throwing our lives away. I admire the martial spirit that you have shown throughout the summit, but there is little we can gain from further fighting. Better that you turn your wrath against another foe your channel your energy into securing Caldari Prime through word and act. I am not turning my back, I am working to hold onto what we have already won. I would advise you not to call the Gallente animals. That could well lead to you underestimating them, which could prove fatal.

Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#111 - 2013-04-20 11:28:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I really could talk about respect. And mostly because you don't deserve respect, and on these reasons:

- You are not a Caldari; you belong to subhuman race; you are not a respectful person


Good eyes. He's too pretty, but props for pushing our wonderful State's penchant for xenophobia to new heights. Can't say I agree, but you're deranged so who cares!

Diana Kim wrote:
- You are not a smart person


Yes and no. By definition I suppose he is smart, very knowledgeable even, but struggles on application of said knowledge in a concise format.

Diana Kim wrote:
- You are not a person who can talk business; you're a combat pilot who can't fight


What sort of business? Different products and customer bases require different styles; as a member of the State you should know that. There's always more than one way to approach any given situation, that even extends to situations that potentially involve gunfire. You're sounding like an uninformed corporate drone at present with your lack of lateral thinking.

Diana Kim wrote:
- You lie like in approximately 9 cases of 10 and have never showed respect to anyone


We all lie, but touché on the respect part.

Diana Kim wrote:
- You never actually did anything worth or respect


Anything that has been publicized. I personally worked with Andreus a couple of years ago to shut down a capsuleer that was embarrassing himself to the point of mental trauma. Haven't seen him in well over 4 years now, I think he wetgraved. That said, we all have our quirks. If you can't deal with them then it's your problem, not theirs.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#112 - 2013-04-20 13:04:54 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Merdez Troopar wrote:
There is no fact that Republic Forces or Minmatar Militia's had any influence whatsoever on the gains that the Gallente Federation made in Black Rise. As allies of the Federation we do support one another, but are not obligated to assist in military operations that do not progress our peoples nation.

As I recall the same nearly happened to the Amarr Empire's systems just recently...but this isn't about war fronts. Since the Fall of the Shiigeru, there have been better diplomatic relations with the Caldari Corporations than there has been in centuries...with improved security for trade into Jita. I firmly believe a DMZ at Caldari Prime eliminates the tension that the State has ensued on the Gallente peoples.


While I agree with most of your sentiment, I should state to you that the "fact that Republic Forces" or "Minmatar militia" have had an effect on gains in Black Rise is evident to anyone participating in that field of battle. I have seen more TLF pilots working to capture military complexes and running from any confrontation while flying cloak and warp stabilizer fit ships than Gallente militia.


I would be interested in names, Captain.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-04-20 14:19:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

- you belong to subhuman race
- you are not a respectful person
- you are not a smart person
- you are not a person who can talk business
- you are a combat pilot who can't fight
- you lie like in approximately 9 cases of 10
- you never showed respect to anyone
- you never actually did anything worth or respect


.....

Diana Kim wrote:

- you are not a respectful person


*cough*

Hello pot, meet Kettle.


Seven Tribes.
One Matari People.