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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Gallente

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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1041 - 2013-04-10 09:31:22 UTC
interesting changes not sure about mega with 8 lows and only 4 mids.....
But the non increase of mobility is a shame and a mistake i kind of preferred a shield tanked mega with lots of speed and agility maybe i was silly to expect that option.... Sad

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#1042 - 2013-04-10 09:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.


At a glance I like it a lot. I'll have to play with fittings when I have the time and see what each ship is capable of, but both the Mega and Hyperion look solid there. My only gripes:

The Hyperion still has that wasted bonus, but you guys seem really deadset on keeping it. Consider an analog to resist bonuses - something different that benefits both active and buffer tanks.

The Megathron looks beautiful, though its base HP remains low in every field. However, 8 lows lets the player compensate for this to great effect. It can be built beefy as hell or skimpy on the tank with one *hell* of a punch. I like it a lot. I can see a solid tank being fit alongside respectable DPS, with the "bonus perk" of being extra mobility in order to compete with the alpha of maels, range of rokhs and tracking of abaddons.

The best part is I think the Hyperion could be build for a fleet now too.

This is really really good.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1043 - 2013-04-10 09:31:58 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

Do you plan on actually making the Dominix a decent drone ship or do you prefer the one that is inferior to the Armageddon.


The new Dominix is going to be a pretty goddamn amazing drone ship, that range and tracking bonus is immensely powerful.

It is overshadowed by the Armageddon, this is the same thing that happened when the Algos was made, the Dragoon was a better ship. Now they are fairly balanced.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Lunaleil Fournier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1044 - 2013-04-10 09:32:45 UTC
Much, much, much better!

Mega looks like a true fleet ship now. Bravo.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1045 - 2013-04-10 09:33:26 UTC
Good changes indeed !

I think the sweet spot has been hit for the Hyperion and the Dominix.

I'm not entirely sure about the Megathron.

I can see you changed it to 4 medslots and 8 lowslots.

Considering it's an attack battleship, I think it doesnt truly need 8 lowslots (which is something a front-line brawler would want, a skirmisher doesn't really need 8 lows).

I would have stayed with the previous 5-7 setup as it allowed either more flexibility with armor setups, as well as a possible shield-tanking version.

I won't whine and mash on the table because of it, but I'd like the 5-7 setup back. This along with the more "gun focused" thing would do literally wonders.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1046 - 2013-04-10 09:33:38 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.


Very nice - the Hype is indeed better, and it looks like it can become a viable option in small gang PVP. Looking very much forward to trying it.

Please don't forget to finish armor tanking 2.0.

Mega - not sure why you are so keen to change the slot layout of a working ship. The utility high has hosted a heavy neut since beginning of times, but if there is some pressing reason to fiddle with the Mega, this change is not better or worse than the previous one.

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Rina Kondur
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#1047 - 2013-04-10 09:34:50 UTC
Megathron looks great. Still sad to see the Hyperion clenching on to that active bonus though. It's just not that viable in the field.
BobFromMarketing
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1048 - 2013-04-10 09:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: BobFromMarketing
"Man I sure wish my Hyperion could use more drones in exchange less turret slots and keep the worthless active rep bonus" - No one ever.


Stop balancing ships on what you hope game mechanics turn into and do it off what they actively are. Give the Hyperion some sort of mobility bonus or make it the ewar platform Gallente lack in BS form. Increase to scramble/disrupt or damp range/effectiveness. Bam role found for your lost little ship.
Moretic
Casual Slackers
#1049 - 2013-04-10 09:36:10 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.


any chance you can confirm a new domi model and/or link image? :D
Raven Solaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1050 - 2013-04-10 09:36:24 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSKkwzwdW4
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1051 - 2013-04-10 09:36:42 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Good changes indeed !

I think the sweet spot has been hit for the Hyperion and the Dominix.

I'm not entirely sure about the Megathron.

I can see you changed it to 4 medslots and 8 lowslots.

Considering it's an attack battleship, I think it doesnt truly need 8 lowslots (which is something a front-line brawler would want, a skirmisher doesn't really need 8 lows).

I would have stayed with the previous 5-7 setup as it allowed either more flexibility with armor setups, as well as a possible shield-tanking version.

I won't whine and mash on the table because of it, but I'd like the 5-7 setup back. This along with the more "gun focused" thing would do literally wonders.


Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion.
Pls roll back the mega changes.

Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1052 - 2013-04-10 09:37:12 UTC
I'm not a fan of every ship having the room for a heavy neut, considering how strong it already is, with his tracking bonus and general IN YOUR FACE weapon system.

Prometheus Exhental talked quite a lot about the Megathron and how the 8-5-6 setup was alright. A 7-5-7 setup with more focus on guns would be excellent Smile
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#1053 - 2013-04-10 09:38:24 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:


Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion.
Pls roll back the mega changes.

Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.


How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)?
XDMR
Cruzakh Rule Breaking Bastards
#1054 - 2013-04-10 09:39:54 UTC
With the uncalled rokh nerf incoming and the new Hype slot layout....
I think i found a new favorite ship!

Some people say i fly Rokh...
Moretic
Casual Slackers
#1055 - 2013-04-10 09:40:03 UTC
I just noticed I have not been reading the op well enough...

the new domi is fullfilling my requests :d drone damage, optimal and tracking :D ( somehow I missed the optimal at first glance )
its also getting more pw, only thing missing is drone control range which is an issue ( I still want my 6 guns :D )
AlexKent
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#1056 - 2013-04-10 09:41:38 UTC
Very nice changes, good job CCP!
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1057 - 2013-04-10 09:41:42 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)?
You see, this is an amarr bias, or how to give a lot more value to low slot than to mid slots.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1058 - 2013-04-10 09:42:35 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

Do you plan on actually making the Dominix a decent drone ship or do you prefer the one that is inferior to the Armageddon.


The new Dominix is going to be a pretty goddamn amazing drone ship, that range and tracking bonus is immensely powerful.

It is overshadowed by the Armageddon, this is the same thing that happened when the Algos was made, the Dragoon was a better ship. Now they are fairly balanced.


Say what?

The two ships have very different roles, and don't overshadow one another at all.

The Dominix is all about flexibility now; those free-choice highs and range/tracking bonused drones gives it a lot of options and flexibility. You don't KNOW what a Dominix is going to do to you.

The Armageddon is a much more focused ship; stay close, wreck cap, inflict pain. (Also, of minor note, the Armageddon in PvP to take best advantage of those range bonused neuts is probably going to have to stump out for a faction point to keep things locked down.)

The Algos/Dragoon comparison is invalid, due to the fact that such things as small sentries don't exist, there are less tactical options available.

Tl;dr: they both rock, :frogout:
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1059 - 2013-04-10 09:43:20 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:


Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion.
Pls roll back the mega changes.

Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.


How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)?


2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank?

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#1060 - 2013-04-10 09:43:30 UTC
Cool changes. Maybe the hype is bit op now, but since it hardly can be used in fleets I dont think it matters that much.