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Revenge Is Sweet

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#21 - 2013-02-07 06:59:51 UTC
Vectra Sharpe wrote:
Excuse me, Mr. Quaid, but I feel where there is no due process, I feel there is also no real justice...

I-I've heard stories about people who have been placed under an excessively large bounty simply for not giving in the the whims of more rich and powerful capsuleers around them. So who will speak for the weaker among us, or those of us that don't wish to be violent, war mongering fools?

Um... I-It's just my opinion, but I believe endorsing wanton murder over personal vendettas is inexcusable. And I know, it doesn't seem like a big deal for a capsuleer to lose a few million isk and a large ship. For most of you, this is just an inconvenience, right? But please.... please... consider the baseliner crews and their families...

Thanks for your time.


Impressively well said.

Katrina Oniseki

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#22 - 2013-02-07 07:23:57 UTC
Lasairiona wrote:
While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no?


A pregnant mother of 250,000,000? Egads, what is she, a termite?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Lasairiona
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-02-07 10:33:27 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Lasairiona wrote:
While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no?


A pregnant mother of 250,000,000? Egads, what is she, a termite?


Reread what I wrote. Perhaps I should have put 250mil isk. There is no pleasing people, is there?

And I agree. Anonymously placing bounties on people is a coward's way out.
Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#24 - 2013-04-09 13:15:48 UTC
Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.

I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#25 - 2013-04-09 13:42:30 UTC
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:
Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.

I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future.


"It was just business!" was screamed back to me when I ended the man responsible for the deaths of those I cared about, pilot.

Just because it's "business" does not mean anything, and in some situation it's the ultimate insult. "I'm having everyone you care for killed. It's just business, you understand, nothing personal." Well I made it personal, and I dealt with it on my own.

I imagine that the majority of pilots that feel justified about placing bounties are the kinds that don't have the means themselves to deal with their grievances in person, hoping their ISK will encourage others to do for them what they can't. You do not need to hide who set that bounty in that case, or any case but this one - covert harassment.

The only thing this joke of a 'businessman' will provide is to help the ones who have loads of ISK, to much time on their hands and find pleasure in bothering others with it. Anyone can have bounties set on them, and high enough, they can cause great troubles for plenty of people. In most cases however the one's who do get this kind of treatment at least know who is doing it - and can respond in kind if they wish.



Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#26 - 2013-04-09 15:37:14 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:
Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.

I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future.


"It was just business!" was screamed back to me when I ended the man responsible for the deaths of those I cared about, pilot.

Just because it's "business" does not mean anything, and in some situation it's the ultimate insult. "I'm having everyone you care for killed. It's just business, you understand, nothing personal." Well I made it personal, and I dealt with it on my own.

I imagine that the majority of pilots that feel justified about placing bounties are the kinds that don't have the means themselves to deal with their grievances in person, hoping their ISK will encourage others to do for them what they can't. You do not need to hide who set that bounty in that case, or any case but this one - covert harassment.

The only thing this joke of a 'businessman' will provide is to help the ones who have loads of ISK, to much time on their hands and find pleasure in bothering others with it. Anyone can have bounties set on them, and high enough, they can cause great troubles for plenty of people. In most cases however the one's who do get this kind of treatment at least know who is doing it - and can respond in kind if they wish.





While I agree that often "it's just business" is the ultimate insult and while I have much respect for anyone willing to get their own hands dirty to solve their own problems and grievances. I'm not here to debate the merits, or lack there of in some opinions, of Mr. Quaid's venture. I may not have much respect for the men and women who use the services of Mr. Quaid, but I will gladly take their money. Who knows, maybe the person who placed the money was incapable of solving their grievance and needed outside support? Maybe if they had placed the bounty themself they or their loved ones would be at risk? Maybe they were simply to lazy to track the person down? Its not my place to ask or care why I'm being paid, just to complete the job and hopefully right a wrong or two.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#27 - 2013-04-09 17:50:10 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
I think you are too kind with captain Quaid, captain Sharpe. A coward like him, fueling the needs and giving tools to other cowards, clearly cares little for the harm his actions can bring. He cares not for the lives of those he places the bounties on, nor their crew members, nor the reasons for the bounty, or anything else. I'd call him a mercenary, but he doesn't actually have the guts to do himself the jobs his coward patrons expect is done, so I'd just call him an empty, soul-less, merchant. A trader in the business of death, too.


A very good comment by Captain Sepherim. This "businessman" is nothing more than a leech seeking to profit from the pain and suffering of others and attempting to paint it as something somehow noble. He should just drop the flowery rhetoric and call his callous venture what it is. People would have more respect then I'm sure.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-09 20:46:28 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
A very good comment by Captain Sepherim. This "businessman" is nothing more than a leech seeking to profit from the pain and suffering of others and attempting to paint it as something somehow noble. He should just drop the flowery rhetoric and call his callous venture what it is. People would have more respect then I'm sure.


There have always been people who practice Quaid's profession. Typically they are a little more... discrete... about advertising their services, but that's really the only difference I see.

As for the recourse available to the targets, they are also as they have always been: self-defense (in traditional or creative modes), avoidance, or outside assistance. Given the nature of Quaid's profession, and the nature of his targets, the implications should be pretty obvious.

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-04-10 03:42:12 UTC
It's certainly amusing to read all this outrage over an anonymous bounty service by participants in a deregulated War Economy that promotes the privatization of armed force and violence; the limitless growth of a decentralized armaments industry; and an economic model that promotes the eternal demand for military supplies through perpetual conflict and destruction. Maker, the services offered by Mr. Quaid are no different ethically than those capsuleers who profit greatly selling arms on the SCC markets only to assuage their guilt with, "Well, those guns I just sold privately to capsuleers don't kill people, capsuleers kill people," when they manage to punch a few holes in some unfortunate's hull and vent the crew into hard vacuum.

I honestly can't believe either how naive, deluded or in denial some capsuleers seem to be as to political and economic realities of the cluster or do you just need some dregs of rationalization to maintain the cognitive dissonance that we all don't have some blood on our hands either directly or indirectly that a few moral platitudes expressed in public won't easily wash out?

Pathetic, really.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-04-10 03:58:41 UTC
While I'm delighted to see people taking an interest in my business--truly, I thank you for the free publicity--the current reality is that I don't profit at all from it. The current transaction fee is 0 ISK.

I protect my clients from retaliatory bounties or hostile action. I am doing it for free at the moment. Please, tell me again how heartless I am. I promise to start losing sleep over it.

CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#31 - 2013-04-10 04:54:09 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Pathetic, really.


I know of something truly pathetic. You, right now.

I am pretty sure the vast majority of capsuleers are aware of the blood on their hands - I am certainly aware of the ocean of it I am swimming in - this is not the point.

I am well aware of the realities of the military-industrial complex that capsuleers are all part of, including myself, you, the man whose actions you are trying to defend, and everyone else. This is not the point.

In short: Pilot Quaid has provided a service that, as far as I am concerned, promotes the spreading of incentives to conduct blind violence on random vessels across the cluster by the means of dispersing anonymous credit-bounties on anyone the issuers feel the need to apply bounties to. And by now he even does this for free. Really? Guess he must just love thinking of the potential damages he helps cause all over the cluster.

In all other cases but this one, anyone who get a bounty set on them will know who did so, and can retaliate, if this is desired, on the one who issues said bounty. This creates a balance, of sorts - feel free to throw your money around to give the hordes of capsuleers out there with the will and means to claim them something to hunt for and ships to destroy for the sake of payment, but be prepared to get the same treatment in return. This 'service' nullifies that danger and allows anyone who utilize it to spread even more meaningless violence around.

We really needed more of that, yeah?

I am sure you understand that I am being sarcastic on that point. The below however is not.

You are pathetic to me right now. It should be abundantly apparent what my, and I am sure pilot Akahoshi's issue with this situation is, yet you could not resist an opportunity to flaunt your supposed intellect in public once more, and doing so by accusing us of being naive, ignorant and in denial regarding the nature of capsuleers.

For my part, as stated, I am well aware. I am also aware that the majority of the death and destruction that follow in my wake is done for a cause that is worth fighting for, and I am sure, one day even I will die for it. There are plenty of capsuleers out there who would love nothing more than to continually destroy their fellows over and over, in an eternal cycle of violence, I have other ideas, and so do many others.

You yourself have even stated that you are enjoying the combat you partake in on a daily basis, and with that in mind, your little defamation attempt here seems even more pitiful. I also, enjoy battle - I however do not enjoy meaningless violence for the sake of it and will protest against spreading incentive to take part in it all I want. If this bothers you, Chief Executive Officer Veikitamo Gesakaarin, I hope you can deal, somehow.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#32 - 2013-04-10 05:02:27 UTC
I find Mr Quaid's services to be quite the source of amusement.

Whenever I receive one of his bounties, I know it's from someone who lacked the brass balls to simply do it themselves. Such people are afraid of retribution, and afraid of the person they set the bounty on.

Also shows the lack of conviction they possess, that they must hide behind proxies rather than stand cleanly for whatever misguided principles they believe in.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#33 - 2013-04-10 05:22:57 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
I find Mr Quaid's services to be quite the source of amusement.

Whenever I receive one of his bounties, I know it's from someone who lacked the brass balls to simply do it themselves. Such people are afraid of retribution, and afraid of the person they set the bounty on.

Also shows the lack of conviction they possess, that they must hide behind proxies rather than stand cleanly for whatever misguided principles they believe in.


I think thats the point though. To give the fearful an opurtunity to stop being afraid. To give them hope that someone better than they can finish what they know they can't, for a price of course.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-04-10 08:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
BloodBird wrote:

You are pathetic to me right now. It should be abundantly apparent what my, and I am sure pilot Akahoshi's issue with this situation is, yet you could not resist an opportunity to flaunt your supposed intellect in public once more, and doing so by accusing us of being naive, ignorant and in denial regarding the nature of capsuleers.

For my part, as stated, I am well aware. I am also aware that the majority of the death and destruction that follow in my wake is done for a cause that is worth fighting for, and I am sure, one day even I will die for it. There are plenty of capsuleers out there who would love nothing more than to continually destroy their fellows over and over, in an eternal cycle of violence, I have other ideas, and so do many others.

You yourself have even stated that you are enjoying the combat you partake in on a daily basis, and with that in mind, your little defamation attempt here seems even more pitiful. I also, enjoy battle - I however do not enjoy meaningless violence for the sake of it and will protest against spreading incentive to take part in it all I want. If this bothers you, Chief Executive Officer Veikitamo Gesakaarin, I hope you can deal, somehow.


Firstly, as to assertions of defamation, I would welcome you to produce the psychological evidence that my words may have caused such severe psychological trauma and emotional distress to yourself due to the damage to your own personal reputation you were unable to maintain respectability in public. Certainly, if you were feeling litigious that would be at least the bare minimum for a civil legal arbitration to weigh the balance of probabilities in the Federation under most statutory implements of the legislative bodies of Federated Union members.

This would of course discount the extralegal status I enjoy under operating CONCORD regulatory authority that would make a legal suit practically impossible in the first instance, and even if successful I would be certain there would be sufficient Supreme Court precedents covering the constitutional rights to free speech to find injunction, or indeed that I was in the Federation at well when my comments were made at all in order to be within its legal jurisdiction. Even in the State, since you are neither a representative or potential party affected of a registered State corporate entity, then I would welcome you to prove in a CBT court how I personally might have caused a loss of business and earnings requiring compensatory action.

This of course ignores that my comments made no reference to you or in fact any other persons in particular until you, Mr. Bloodbird, made assumption that they were directed to yourself. Unless you in fact believe yourself to be sole representative for an ambiguous section of capsuleers in general. Which would appear to be patently false.

That out of the way, permit me to clarify and enlighten you further, Mr. Bloodbird since it appears that in your reach for passive-aggressive indignation you have misconstrued my sentiments due to their brevity and your own need to cast aspersions upon my thoughts and motivations.

It is, simply put, disingenuous as a capsuleer who is a participant in the current War Economy -- and that is, the majority of us do, unless one has never traded on SCC markets, constructed armaments, conducted deniable asset work for corporate agents, or has participated in private military actions -- to censure a man such as Mr. Derek Quaid for his services on moral or ethical grounds related to the utilization of third party violence with payment for services rendered via intermediary that guarantees anonymity. Mr. Quaid may be said to have been opportunistic with his service, but in truth if he had not done it someone else would have eventually.

The true onus of responsibility rests with the CONCORD Assembly and the DED for having permitted the expansion of the bounty system, and yet I see little outrage directed towards CONCORD as much as Mr. Quaid for merely being creative with the tools provided by the Assembly. A ridiculous state of affairs when one considers that it is CONCORD that also manages and regulates the lucrative artificial economy that is the SCC regulated capsuleer markets that not only provides tangible financial benefits to hundreds of thousands of freelance capsuleers but CONCORD itself through its taxation of the Trillions of ISK worth of armaments transactions made daily via the SCC in addition to the ancillary economic boon made to Assembly signatories that provide the blueprints, facilities and bureaucratic overhead to make their construction possible.

As such, I find that attempting to censure Mr. Quaid as a freelance capsuleer myself would be a gross act of dishonesty and hypocrisy on my own part. Even more so if that censure was on the basis of moral or ethical grounds -- hence my attribution to naivety, delusion or denial by those doing so, far be it myself to call others liars and hypocrites who also operate under CONCORD regulations. Myself, I find honesty refreshing at times even if it might mean being the harbinger of the tides of truth upon the little castles of sand some might attempt to build for themselves with false notions, affectations and pretensions that we are not all perpetrators and contributors of death and destruction irrespective of just how it may eventuate in the end.

In closing however, Mr. Bloodbird, since you are neither a client, an acquaintance or indeed anyone I owe any obligations to, it is quite the simple task to deal with your personal thoughts and opinions insofar as they are completely irrelevant to my business or duties both professionally and personally. After all, that you may prefer saccharine lies to unsavory truths is just as inconsequential to me as the particularly asinine moral and ethical solution you may use to douche your conscience so that you may rest easy at night.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-04-10 19:20:54 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
It should be abundantly apparent what my, and I am sure pilot Akahoshi's issue with this situation is


I have to chime again.

For the record, I actually have very few issues with Quaid's service, and don't consider it a promotion of meaningless violence. At best and worst, it is no different than any of the other CONCORD-legal means we capsuleers have to resolve differences. What seems to be the issue for most people - the anonymity of the service - doesn't seem to be a large issue. Capsuleer mercenaries have been taking anonymous contracts against targets for years (I first personally experienced this around YC106).

To the point some pilots have raised about this service being used by the wealthy to punish those pilots who do not fall into line: Shouldn't the identity of this anonymous wealthy client be obvious? If, say, Veikitamo Gesakaarin is angry at me because I've been confounding her attempts to corner the shuttle market in Aridia, and then I'm killed by one of Quaid's hired assassins (and really, it should be pretty obvious to the target if they have just been victim of an assassination), wouldn't it be a fairly small leap to arrive at the conclusion that she ordered the hit?

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#36 - 2013-04-11 02:28:47 UTC
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-04-11 03:18:16 UTC
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:
I think thats the point though. To give the fearful an opurtunity to stop being afraid. To give them hope that someone better than they can finish what they know they can't, for a price of course.


This where you're wrong. A coward will always be a coward until he or she stands up against that which he is afraid of. Fear is human, all of us have it, what matters is how you confront it. If all you can do is hide and use proxies, then you are giving in to your fear, and you will never leave it behind. So this business works exactly against what you expect it to do.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#38 - 2013-04-11 13:36:57 UTC
Sepherim wrote:

This where you're wrong. A coward will always be a coward until he or she stands up against that which he is afraid of. Fear is human, all of us have it, what matters is how you confront it. If all you can do is hide and use proxies, then you are giving in to your fear, and you will never leave it behind. So this business works exactly against what you expect it to do.


Not that I disagree with you, but if someone is unable to fight, be it due ot a physical, mental, or emotional infirmity. Is it cowardice to want justice done? And knowing that you can do nothing about it yourself, is it cowardice to attempt to get another to fight in your stead?
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#39 - 2013-04-11 14:09:56 UTC
There are perfectly valid reasons to use proxies which do not involve fear in any capacity. Interesting to see so much chest-beating from the so-called empyrean class.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-04-12 01:39:45 UTC
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:
Not that I disagree with you, but if someone is unable to fight, be it due ot a physical, mental, or emotional infirmity. Is it cowardice to want justice done? And knowing that you can do nothing about it yourself, is it cowardice to attempt to get another to fight in your stead?


The reply to those questions depends. No, it's not cowardice to want justice done. But it is cowardice to get others to enact it for you using back doors and subterfuges, not even responding for your own deeds. It may be justified, it may prevent you from receiving further retaliation, it may be reasonable... but it's the cowards path none the less.

And that's for those cases that use this option out of need, not all the others who may do it for much worse and much more coward reasons.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

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