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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-04-02 06:26:40 UTC
everything is worth mentioning.

one of the big problems eve faces is the lack of documentation internal and external of how things work, are supposed to work and do actually work.

this also happens to be true of most things and is not a problem exclusive to CCP. they just have it slightly worse.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#22 - 2013-04-02 06:35:42 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
everything is worth mentioning.

one of the big problems eve faces is the lack of documentation internal and external of how things work, are supposed to work and do actually work.

this also happens to be true of most things and is not a problem exclusive to CCP. they just have it slightly worse.


The issue got sufficient documentation. In the dev blog. It came up here because a player neglected to mention an exception to a rule. Not CCP, a player.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2013-04-02 11:46:33 UTC
Apollo Cochrane wrote:
All this is fine... I just wish they would update the ship model along with the stats. One empty missile slot looked bad enough, Looks bloody stupid with TWO! They always do half a job.


It's not the only one. They didn't update any models for several ship changes now, and it really shows in a bad way. You should see the mess that is the Arbitrator now, or even the Myrmidon.

I'm sure they'll fix it Soon™

CCP: "Working as intended."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-07 03:06:25 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
Jon Rackham wrote:
Slightly annoyed that I'm going to need Information Warfare V and Skirmish Warfare V to fly a Command Ship after the Summer, but pretty happy that I probably won't need Caldari Battleship V anymore. Kind of wish I could get it to turn back to white from yellow, but oh well.



When did you need BS 5?


You used to need Battleship V to train Dreadnoughts or Carriers in faction. When the new expansion drops you will only need a IV; that'll save me three weeks before I can get into a Phoenix.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#25 - 2013-04-07 06:29:43 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Apollo Cochrane wrote:
All this is fine... I just wish they would update the ship model along with the stats. One empty missile slot looked bad enough, Looks bloody stupid with TWO! They always do half a job.


It's not the only one. They didn't update any models for several ship changes now, and it really shows in a bad way. You should see the mess that is the Arbitrator now, or even the Myrmidon.

I'm sure they'll fix it Soon™

CCP: "Working as intended."


It is worth pointing out...

That if CCP charged 20 USD (or a plex) per expansion, per account.. they'd have, roughly 15ish mil USD a year to hire more people to give us a more polished and finished product.

But they are infact, free expansions.

Personally.. I try not to ***** too much concerning free products handed to me. I don't know.. maybe I'm just weird like that. I wouldn't mind if they went the other route either, and charged us so they had more funds to do more.

It is also worth pointing out.. that hardpoints can still be used on ships (not all now, I know) if you place the turret/launcher in 'utlity slots'. Incase some people unaware that have read this.. try it out. It's kinda cool how you can makes yours a lil different looking than someone elses setup.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2013-04-07 10:12:29 UTC
Umega wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Apollo Cochrane wrote:
All this is fine... I just wish they would update the ship model along with the stats. One empty missile slot looked bad enough, Looks bloody stupid with TWO! They always do half a job.


It's not the only one. They didn't update any models for several ship changes now, and it really shows in a bad way. You should see the mess that is the Arbitrator now, or even the Myrmidon.

I'm sure they'll fix it Soon™

CCP: "Working as intended."


It is worth pointing out...

That if CCP charged 20 USD (or a plex) per expansion, per account.. they'd have, roughly 15ish mil USD a year to hire more people to give us a more polished and finished product.

But they are infact, free expansions.

Personally.. I try not to ***** too much concerning free products handed to me. I don't know.. maybe I'm just weird like that. I wouldn't mind if they went the other route either, and charged us so they had more funds to do more.

It is also worth pointing out.. that hardpoints can still be used on ships (not all now, I know) if you place the turret/launcher in 'utlity slots'. Incase some people unaware that have read this.. try it out. It's kinda cool how you can makes yours a lil different looking than someone elses setup.


You are meaning keeping the 'empty' or 'utility' slot in the middle or at the start, rather than lining them all up from the first slot right?
Nice catch. I hadn't tried that trick yet.
Ayame Tao
#27 - 2013-04-08 09:21:37 UTC
Storm Novah wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
And while we're on the topic of BCs, you really should know that the skill is being split into racial variants sometime around May. If you want to get all 4 to 5 when it happens, start training BC to 5 and all racial cruisers to 3.

tl;dr: they're doing a big ship rebalance. They just got done with BCs.

You may also wanna know that they are doing the same thing to destroyers as with the BCs. They are splitting it the same way and to get all races you should train Destroyers to 5 and have all racial cruisers frigates to 3 4


fixed... you don't need the cruisers to get the new racial destroyers.

Most are going for the full set (racial frigate 4, racial cruiser 3, destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5)

Plus it's worth injecting Command Ships and Racial Freighter before the change too if you are near to meeting the current requirements to learn the skill.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-10 03:50:19 UTC
Ayame Tao wrote:
fixed... you don't need the cruisers to get the new racial destroyers.

Most are going for the full set (racial frigate 4, racial cruiser 3, destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5)

Plus it's worth injecting Command Ships and Racial Freighter before the change too if you are near to meeting the current requirements to learn the skill.
Actually the requirements will be 3 all the way up. Amarr Frigate 3 >Amarr Destroyer 3 > Amarr Cruiser 3 > Amarr Battlecruiser 3 > Amarr Battleship 3 > Amarr Carrier and Dreadnought

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
#29 - 2013-04-10 12:06:13 UTC
Injecting the skill will not do you any favor.

You cannot add skills to the training queue that you do not have the prerequistites for.

THEREFORE:
If you get (i.e. for dreads) racial BS V and inject the dreadnaught skill, even if you skill it to III, you will not be able to get this skill any higher if you do not have the new requirements.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-04-13 18:19:01 UTC
George Boothe wrote:
Injecting the skill will not do you any favor.

You cannot add skills to the training queue that you do not have the prerequistites for.
Actually you can train any skill that you have injected, but you cannot inject a skill that you do not meet the prerequisites for. Used to be you couldn't train them either, but CCP changed that, perhaps due to the coming skill requirement changes (and some already past). So if you meet the requirements now and won't after Odyssey, then inject it now and you can train it later. In fact, train it to 1 just in case it needs to be a trained skill--I haven't tested otherwise.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#31 - 2013-04-13 18:24:34 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
George Boothe wrote:
Injecting the skill will not do you any favor.

You cannot add skills to the training queue that you do not have the prerequistites for.
Actually you can train any skill that you have injected, but you cannot inject a skill that you do not meet the prerequisites for. Used to be you couldn't train them either, but CCP changed that, perhaps due to the coming skill requirement changes (and some already past). So if you meet the requirements now and won't after Odyssey, then inject it now and you can train it later. In fact, train it to 1 just in case it needs to be a trained skill--I haven't tested otherwise.


QFT. Dev quote just in case anyone wants that confirmation.
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