EVE General Discussion

I was recruited in the game by 3 co-workers that ran a small Minmatar Faction Warfare corp. They talked about the game all the time at work, so on July 1, 2009, I started a trial account for something to do over the 4-day Independence Day Holiday.

Within a day I'd run all the tutorials, gotten the free industrial that you can't use on trial account, and the activated my account.

When I finished the tutorials it was very much a "now what?" moment. I figured out that the map had a setting to show agents you have standing for. I found a nearby L1 agent that gave a combination of kill and currier missions. My first trip to low sec was on day 2. Made it safely on the currier mission. Day 3.... Boom.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7122363 Even lost the reports so failed the currier mission. Oh and even:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7122362 Podded.

What did I learn by going to low sec that early? It seems NOTHING, since the next day I packed up pretty much everything I owned into my free industrial with plans of relocating to a new agent, that was in a high sec system surrounded by low sec and...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7131932
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7131931

Feeding lame, easy kills to the low sec residents.

I returned to work on the 5th to tell my co-workers of my experience. They told me where better agents were. They told me about EveMon. They told me about implants, remaps, etc, etc.

I then entered my "SP acquisition" phase. The game was about grinding L1s for standing, salvaging belts for ISK, using the ISK for skill books, complete those learning skills so I could learn some other basic skills to get into a tackle frig.

This lasted about a month. Then I joined thier FW corp. Started getting on kill mails, started losing ships. Started doing the things that I guess some would call "really playing the game" while other would call it "blob, lock the primary and press F1 foolishness".

I even began to worry about KB stats and epeen. Could I be the top killer for my corp? That got boring super fast. That was all about number of hours played, spreading shots around, flying something that was last to get primaried. KB does NOT show who is good and who is lame.

After a year of flying around, doing the same fights, against the same people, over and over with no "meaning" to the fighting, I quit FW and joined a "real" 0.0 sov holding corp. Ooops. I joined the weakest corp in the area, that was mostly in another time zone, that was in a stupid unstable region. Didn't get to do much other than rat belts in a stealth bomber or sit camped in a station. Wasn't there long.

Then I joined a high sec corp that was building toward "bigger things". They had recruited a lot of high sec miners, mission runners and in general, carebears. They tried to push these carebears into PvPers. The result was much friction, arguing, hard feelings, and the collapse of the corp.

What I learned was that a large portion of the player base simply has no interest in PvP. They are not carebears, because someone made them carebears or becasue they do not know there are other options. They are carebears, because it is in their nature as a person.

When that corp imploded, I formed a small industrial corp with two friends I made there. We mined and built carriers. That got boring pretty fast.

I left that corp, and joined a corp that billed itself as place for older people (30+), family friendly comms, that wanted to learn how to live in null. Their plan was to get people trained, then move them into their friend's null corp. The problem was, no one wanted to move.

Then a war started, and peope were encouraged to go to the 0.0 corp... but still no one left. So, they packed up the entire high sec, trainign crop, and moved to 0.0. A SUCK location in 0.0. And then we were told we had to join war fleets.... but the people that were running the war fleets were the exact opposite of mature, with family friendly comms.

They were the most immature, filthiest mouthed, low down, dirty rotten idiots I've ever encountered in my life. They bragged openly about their scams, their dirty tricks, and their all around a-hole-ishness.

I was so disgusted, I quit from the game.

6 months later, I came back to start a high sec training corp for new players. To give them a hand up, get them trained up, teach then how to play and the wide variety of options in the game. The result:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14915039

Again, disgusted, I quit the game for another year.

If you ask me, the PvPer player base, like goons and AWOXers do FAR, FAR more to drive players away from the game than carebears do.


To keep new players, I think they need training corps that can take in these new players, and teach them the game,that are smaller and more easily able to keep track of and mentor these new players than EVE Uni, that don't blow up from the spying, thievery, war decs, awoxing, and other shinanigans that happen to corps that are trying to recruit new players.

The game mechanics allow people to harass these corps out of existence, so they go away as quickly as they form.

Bob bless you for the tl;dr...

Pvp is not my main focus at the moment. Learning my way around and enjoying the scenery keeps me satisfied. Yet war is an inevitable thing. And having the guts to learn how to defend yourself from an oppressive force is only avoidable for so long until tentions boil over. Yet like all things its up to everyone to allow fresh players to learn and explore to invite new competition and reward. I've witnessed oppressive players in games on certain servers that were all out blood bathes intended to make people quit. Its good to see a community that is aware of these players and can only do so much to keep noobies from fleeing in terror or frustration. Best to learn how to defend yourself and who your friends are.

What part of remote do you not get?

I was helping a new player get much ISK running L4s. He had gallente skills, and was flying an armor tanked battlecruiser.

I could easily afford to lose the mach, and replace it many times over. I just chose not to. Emo rage quitting over the state of the EVE player base instead.


You can't run a new-player- friendly, PvP training corp, because 90% of the people pretending to be new players are just corp griefers.


So, whine all you want about how new players are lead down the path to being carebears. I have experience trying to lead them down another path, and it was UGLY!

EVE-Uni and Red vs Blue are new player alliances.

CFC has a dedicated team to teach newbees everything they want to know.

I just had to stop reading right there at paragraph 2 as that is a blatant lie.

Also, IB4L, in case you have not noticed the 3 other threads about this in 24 hours have been locked.

from my experience, if corp chat has a continuous feed of avatars wearing sunglasses it's time to hit that button!

Yeah, sorry, I thought your fit was an awful PvP fit, not an awful PvE fit. It can be hard to tell.

I'm sorry you wanted to help newbies and then quit. Take solace in the fact that you were probably just giving bad advice.

Its funny because most of the people who prey on new players etc in the game are also the ones who then complain in other threads about having no low or null targets.

Mainly because new players do tend to either quit, or flee to high sec when they get popped in Frigates by Battleships.. lol

Your only failure in this will be giving up on a game that is challenging and frustrating on purpose. In some form or another, every poster here, whether trolling or cincere, will have experienced at least one of the misadventures you have encountered at some time in their EvE life.

To me, it's what makes this game so interesting, even if it does invlove me storming out the door in a huff once in a while.

You have to accept from day one that this is part of EvE. Learn to embrace it and you will learn to love the game :)