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posting in null vs high thread...

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No but I do think your singular view of 1 aspect of null is a tad dishonest.

I do know that TEST destroyed just under 386k NPC's last weekend ratting out of 174 systems - systems *THEY* control.

I do know that comparing that to Essence, it was "close' on NPC kills but only 3 pods fewer were destroyed in that small empire region as across all 174 nullsec systems, which is the bulk of 2 nullsec regions. Care to guess how "close" the income was from those 2 areas? This part I don't "know" but my guess is ... no where near as much.

Then again, the 61 outposts are "OWNED" by that nullsec alliance with full block/allow rights to all services yet even if you are -10 to Gallente, you could still visit and utilize all services and markets from those empire stations - how about that access to all those outposts out there?

Ownership seems to have certain perks and privileges -- sad that it also seems to have some downsides but let's look at this a bit closer.

We also have the fact that the China server runs the bulk of their manufacturing needs for null - out of nullsec. The US servers import. Because they have to? No because it is "more cost efficient" due to choice.

So if it's demonstrated that the ability to manufacture is there but is a pain in the butt with how POS's operate, that drops this to just choosing not to "for cost reasons" as in "can make more doing other stuff".

So - one more time - why do they deserve THIS area as well as all the other perks they already get - perks that include the ability to block others from access to what manufacturing resources they do put up when the other areas you compare with *ARE* fully open for anyone to use?

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Oh and the numbers - yeah I actually checked them. The part you might find of more interest was a stat that made me smile then frown.

Over 620 ships were "destroyed" out of 1 highsec system this weekend in a single 24 hour period. Couster. It's why I tossed the data segment on ships destroyed.

You see that's a newbie system and there are 2 tutorial missions that destroy new ships. Net effect, that's probably well over 200 "new players' running missions from 1 of the *3* Gallente starting areas, just like each of the 4 factions has them.

If I had to pick a part of this game to look at, I think it would be how many of those will actually stay with the game and how to increase *THAT* number over easing life for the richest and most vet/alt centric portion of this game's community.

Over 200 trials in 24 hours...

Yeah I think that's something I'd prefer seeing recommendations on than vets muttering about easing their lives in EVE but it still doesn't answer the question on why they deserve even more than what they already have vs investing efforts elsewhere.

Do you even economics? Cost efficiency has nothing to do with choice. The game mechanics are the limiting factor here.

This is such an exhausted argument -

Null sec's industry should be as good as the residents can make it - and that is EXATLY what is going on now.
How good do you think any industry can be when you lock out all your stations and kill everything not blue.

Nullbears have all the tools they need to make a success ful industry base - they choose to do other things.
They are getting exactly what they are giving to the effort.

This person has never been to null sec, my crystal ball tells me so.

How good can INDUSTRY be by locking out stations and killing non-blues? yea, that stuff totally makes a few SYSTEMS in high sec have as many manufacturing slots as entire null sec REGIONS. At also makes null sec mining less profitable that doing it in the safety of high sec....

The problems with null sec industry are structural, they have nothing to do with activity. CCP understands this which is why ccp is addressing (finally) the issues.

POSes in hi sec are invincible for 24 hours. That's zero risk, apart from any lost margin due to station waits/multipliers.

The only way to solve it is to put high sec or empire on a different server to null.

I could have said anything - I chose the truth.

Should have expected the default "he's never been to null" reply. Pretty much the extent of some individuals' ability to argue a point. Give all the opinion you want, the fact is some of you guys just aren't creative enough to make it happen the way you think you want it to work.




There is your first problem in not understanding things - Stop using a crystal ball to get your information and maybe you would have figured out to make as much money in null as any Hisecer. A simple intertubes search would show that at least 6 of my 10 years in eve has been in nullsec. Gathering data and facts for proper analysis would also be a proper function for this. Maybe your crystal ball's WiFi is weak.

Sure null needs a lot of improvements. Im not saying it does not need some overhaul. I just don't subscribe to the fact that the majority of the issue are completely systematic.

The people who inhabit that space are responsible for making the tools work. They have been focused on war and territory building and thats fine. But they don;t know how to make a region prosper economically. This is different than being really good at logistics and manipulating markets to leverage material in stock. Its a different game.

Brings up a side point (not trying to derail here) but if you have a threadnaught with veterans educating on how mechanics work.. why does anyone ever need to go into null to see if a station has 4 slots or 40?

Readers have the option to either A)Believe you, or B)Not believe you.

Research matters. Alternative pilots matter. Mains do not matter.

If I'm to believe Malcanis (Sorry man using you as an example cuz I figure you know your ****) when he educates me on a working(or non working) system, why on earth would I have to live in null at all?

Someone mentioning things in a discussion is either going to be right or wrong. Where they live hardly matters right?

Any rate, I see the point everyone is making... but I think the greener grass approach is a bit doomed at the start since highsec means not a damned thing in regards to nullsec.

You want nullsec, go to nullsec. You want highsec, go to highsec.

You don't want to travel between the 2? Sorry but there's your options I guess.

basically you don't have to live in nullsec to know malcanis is right but you sure as hell need to have lived in nullsec to have your own theory of how it works