EVE General Discussion

Recently read a very volatile post that sadly was locked before I could get my 2 bits in. It was on the subject of what drives new players away from the game. From what I could read, most of these characters accounts being rather old, fell into two camps. The anti carebears believing that newbies are driven away by the insane boredom that can come from being recruited into a high sec corp that only mines and missions (both I agree can be boring but i do them and understand their necessity) and then there is the Other camp which I really don't have a name for because really they were just trying to oppose the OP any way they could. (even though there were voices of reason on both sides of the issue they were kinda got drowned out by everyone else)

Being a newb id like to share my opinion on the matter. The reason I stayed in this wonderful albeit frightening game was support from other players, vets and other newbs alike. I was confused as hell the first week. In fact I still am on many things. But with the friends I made with in the first week of the game I still move onward wanting too learn more and do more. And yet you still have too take into account that every person is different and react differently to things. One of my closer friends in EvE (Teki Awong) Started out in eve and played eve for a long time completely Independent without much interaction with other players and was fine with that and moved on to the player corp scene in his own time, and on the flip side of that coin is another friend (Dark Aries JR) who played eve for three days and told me that the scope of it was just not his style and quit.

I guess what I am trying too say here is do not be on the extreme side (either side -.-) of this issue it helps no one and certainly does not help EvE. There are many reasons why us newbs could leave, boredom being one of them, but you have to remember most of us that sub too this game are grown adults (even if we don't act like it sometimes xD) and can make our own decisions. The best thing you vets can do is offer what guidance you can,either by advice or assets, making our first weeks as easy as you can. If the said player does not want help, always leave the offer on the table in case they reconsider, but never be forceful about it, either in game or in the forums.


Side Note: I hope this post gets locked allot sooner than the last one if this one gets just as out of hand

It is 3 am, I am still at work and have little thought for such things

However noted for future posts, I kinda like this forum thing

blargh, wrong button

There is definitely a lot of room for improvement in the tutorial, but at the same time there is only so much that you can do there. If it covered every aspect of the game then people would be doing the tutorial for a year.

The problem is a real one - the average new player is overexposed to dangerous carebears and their game-killing ideas, and underexposed to all the finer aspects of gameplay. As a result, we lose many potential new subscribers. Even the OP, who seems like a reasonable sort, says that he recognizes that mining and missioning are boring, yet feels they are necessary and does them anyway. That is the kind of foolish notion that I am talking about. There is absolutely no need for you to participate in gameplay that you find boring - thinking like that is what leads people to quit early.

There may be some actions that CCP can take to help with this, but mainly I think it is a question of the player community policing itself. These sorts of dangerous carebears need to be identified, publicly called out, and persecuted with every means available to us, be it wardecs, AWOXing, suicide ganking, or other, more innovative methods. Every responsible EVE player should consider it their duty to help purge these individuals from the game.

The other side of it is reaching out to newbies and guiding them towards more engaging aspects of gameplay. There are already a lot of us doing this, but our voices are often drowned out by the legions of carebears in highsec.

Why now ? If they are so dangerous, the game wouldn't be here after a decade.

Talk about manufacturing problems that do not exist............

It can be done. To an extent ofc.

The new players who leave.....I just say "good riddance".

They obviously did not like what they experienced, and were not adventurous enough to try things out for themselves. (I remember jumping into a WH when I was a month old, not knowing anything at all....that I would need probes, that there was no local, etc). I was intrigued by what I was discovering by being an 'explorer' of the game this way.

Most gamers are not that adventurous and do indeed want theme-park hand-holding as that is the expected norm. If they quit, they were not the kind of players we want here anyway.

So, why all the tears ???

How on earth do you say the general feeling in that thread - i.e. that new players need to get a fuller impression of what is possible in EVE right from the start (even absolute newbies can have fun in low and null, and make isk there, after all) - is the opposite of the sandbox mantra? The attitude expressed in that thread supports the sandbox, it's a desire to emphasise the sandbox nature to new players from day one. That was the entire point of the thread for crying out loud. How could you miss the mark so very much?

Though the nature of the tutorials and game itself limit what can be done in those initial few hours, and simply saying "make the tutorial lead new players into a lowsec system" is far too simplistic, and may not accomplish the goal of properly introducing them to the other aspects of the game at all anyway

and some sort of forum mod please lock my post I think i may have started something bad up again -_-

The hardest part about people who have played this game long enough to get comfortable, forget that just because someone is new doesn't mean they won't be "better" or "smarter" somewhere down the road.