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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
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#1 - 2013-04-01 15:18:50 UTC
So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.

I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.

I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.

Fair warning.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2013-04-01 15:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Machiavelli's Nemesis
*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*

Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.

Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.

Chop chop.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
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#3 - 2013-04-01 15:29:23 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*

Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.

Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.

Chop chop.


Get back in your bomber and do some more missions.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2013-04-01 15:34:18 UTC
Templar Dane wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*

Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.

Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.

Chop chop.


Get back in your bomber and do some more missions.


Hang on, i'm just going to ask my GM buddies to clear your exploit cloud first.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#5 - 2013-04-01 15:34:19 UTC
Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it.

Templar Dane wrote:
So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.

I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.

I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.

Fair warning.

nom nom
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#6 - 2013-04-01 15:37:25 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it.


Yes but didn't you hear? All but one of the GMs are in the minmatar militia. We know it's true because amarrbot3000 tells me so when i shake it.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
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#7 - 2013-04-01 15:46:54 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it.

Templar Dane wrote:
So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.

I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.

I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.

Fair warning.



Well, he apparently didn't care to look at the petition that gave me the green light.
Ryuce
#8 - 2013-04-01 15:51:07 UTC
I know several people who have encounters GM's which didn't tolerate this.

E: TBH I fully support the GM's decision.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
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#9 - 2013-04-01 15:58:30 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Templar Dane wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*

Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.

Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.

Chop chop.


Get back in your bomber and do some more missions.


Hang on, i'm just going to ask my GM buddies to clear your exploit cloud first.


Exploit? You mean, preventing a ship from cloaking because of game mechanics?
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#10 - 2013-04-01 18:54:15 UTC
Templar Dane wrote:
Exploit? You mean, preventing a ship from cloaking because of game mechanics?


1. As you so rightly pointed out, every member of the GM team is a minmatar sympathiser so it's only an exploit when YOU do it.

In fact I plan to do exactly the same thing to you and I'll get away with it as well MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

2. Anything that might cause lag is an exploit. Dropping hundreds of drones counts as this, the first GM that told you otherwise is wrong.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#11 - 2013-04-01 21:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
the legit strategy vs lag exploit issues are conflated because anything that has enough debris in space to effectively prevent cloaking will meet the threshold for causing client-side lag, making it an exploit. If you drop 10 drones and prevent cloaking, its not an exploit, but you won't catch many people that way.

Some first-hand PI tips
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2013-04-01 21:32:43 UTC
I use this tactic frequently. Instead of drones or cans, I use corpses.

I jump into my target system with an alt with a viator filled with corpses. I ordit the gate at 12km and drop corpse after corpse, changing orbits every couple minutes.

It works...and most player who dont have biomass added to overview never know what hit them.

Also, corpses dont despawn after 2 hrs, so the camping can last all day! and unlike cans, there is no wait time between deployments.

youre welcome.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
BadFC
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-04-02 03:40:15 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*

Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.

Chop chop.



i ROFL'd in rl...
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#14 - 2013-04-06 10:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthia Nezmor
Good to know that back in the days before the Kurni/Isbra gate dropping more than 2 HUNDRED CANS on the Eszur gate in Hof to decloak my Tengu was a legitimate move and that only drones are illegal.

(No, I am not mad. I obviously didn't lose that Tengu to T.R.I.E.D or mothra noobies who lose Abaddons to 2 frigates with 5 of them on grid.)
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#15 - 2013-04-06 10:51:02 UTC
Templar Dane wrote:
So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.

I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.

I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.

Fair warning.

Should've told my GM friends to also ban your forum account, NOW THE SECRET IS OUT. EvilEvilEvil

pew pew
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-04-09 09:32:35 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I use this tactic frequently. Instead of drones or cans, I use corpses.

I jump into my target system with an alt with a viator filled with corpses. I ordit the gate at 12km and drop corpse after corpse, changing orbits every couple minutes.

It works...and most player who dont have biomass added to overview never know what hit them.

Also, corpses dont despawn after 2 hrs, so the camping can last all day! and unlike cans, there is no wait time between deployments.

youre welcome.


I like this idea. If you kill something fast enough, they won't know what tactic to petition against.

Petition warfare and anti-petition warfare is a new dimension to consider against the new generation of entitled players.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-09 12:27:26 UTC
I dont think it's even anything to do with lag

a normal subcap ship can only field 5 drones at a time. Dropping hundreds is clearly not the intended use for them. It's almost bordering on automated play.

However I don't think CCP will have a problem with you running multiple accounts with drones out

failing that: make some friends.

Art of Explosions
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#18 - 2013-04-09 12:44:53 UTC
don't forget:

- not only GMs but also DEVs and CSMs works against Amarr Militia
- the whole FW tiers are designed to give advantage to minmatar
- the warzone geography is desinged against the amarr
- plex rats' ecm is designed against amarr
- the roleplay background too is designed against amarr!
- amarr cannot do mission (NPC are against them)
- amarr are forced to undock and do stuff to earn some ISK (not like us minmatar that get a weekly salary)
- amarr are poors, they can barely fit a T1 cruiser. While Minnie are dirty ritch so they can throw away fleet of hundreds and hundreds SFI like where rifters.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-04-12 03:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Completely non-militia we have had similar happen a couple of months ago. It went something like this, after we had beautifully spiked the P3 gate in IPAY to prevent the immediate recloaking of strat cruisers and other covops:

  • P3 scout: “Loki just landed on the IPAY gate” “Jumping”
  • Camp FC: “Setup for decloak guys” “There he is … go, go, go!”
  • Camp FC: “Damn, there he goes. Good try.”
  • Loki pilot in local: “Exploit! Petition filed.”

10 minutes later

  • Observant fleet member: “New neut, no gate flash”
  • Scouts: “No-one came thru EIDI or Q-. Must be a logon.”
  • Fleet member: “It’s a CCP GM guys, look at the character name.”
  • Camp FC: “Quick, see if you can get a probe scan on him. It’ll be a great kill.”
  • Fleet member: “Hey, where did all our cans go?”
  • Camp FC: “$#@%, he’s removed them all. That $#@%ing Loki tard.”
  • Fleet member: “He’s gone.”


So, literally within minutes of a complaint petition being filed CCP jumped into system and instantly erased our beautiful collection of strategically placed jet-cans. No explanation, no nothing.

My main concern with this is the seemingly inconsistent application and action by CCP. In another incident I complained about dying to a similar setup (hundreds of T1 drones spiking a bubble that I cloaky warped into) and CCP declined to take any action, explaining that it was only a problem if it lagged or was intended to lag the system.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#20 - 2013-04-12 04:06:40 UTC
Much better off doing this with scanner probes, no 2m delay between each jet.
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