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Templis Dragonaurs - The Executor's Personal Army

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-05 02:34:37 UTC
Captain Chagangan,

I owe you a drink. If you would honor me.

~Malcolm Khross

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-04-05 02:48:25 UTC
Just name the time and place Malcolm.
As long as they accept us dirty heretical tribal types.


Seven Tribes.
One Matari People.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-05 10:58:33 UTC
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

- And also we have a traitorous scum, that would prefer to see all corporations disunited fighting each other instead of fighting common enemy. This traitorous scum slanders Templis Dragonaurs, CPD, Heth and provists, ignoring all their merits and good deeds.


It's funny you should mention that...

One corporation did in fact turn on all of the others in recent days, sending it's less overt forces against the will of the other seven megacorporations.

So, yes, you have one instance of traitorous scum in your midst Diana.
One instance of a group who would rather turn on the rightful controlling force within the state.

You're missing the obvious point again though.

Tibus Heth.
The CPD.
The Templis Dragonaur.
Diana Kim.
Tom Horn.

These are the names of the group of 'traitorous scum' that ignore the meritocratic system.
Collectively they like to refer to themselves as 'Provists'

if you look REALLY closely there, you'll find that your name is one of them.
Call me a barbarian if you must, I am not the one calling for Genocide, against the wishes of my betters. That would be you.
War for it's own sake is barbarity. Peace, is the path that lies ahead, it is one of civility and honour.
Do not step away from such a chance. You will most certainly regret it in the future if you do.


Seven Tribes.
One Matari People.

Dirty jaijii has no idea about what our State is. Dirty jaijii should shut up and at least start learning about our ways before talking about this again.

Dirty jaijii called those, who established real meritocratic system (CPD and Tibus Heth) those, who ignoring it, showing how dirty jaijii ignorant of Caldari.

And, in fact, you just DID call for Genocide. Because, you know, peoples with mentality like your, should better not exist.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-04-05 14:16:33 UTC
Awww, looks like I struck a nerve.

Firstly, 'dirty foreigner', The use of such a term does prove your ignorance, however, if I can refrain from the use of petty insults while talking to you, and you seek to maintain the 'higher ground' here, then it would aid your cause if you did the same.

You'll find i know a lot about your systems and ways. Research is a wonderful thing. Add to that the simple fact that I have always had an interest in the Way of the winds.
I suppose you would be more interested in the research I have done into the Celestial Imperative though. Or you at least should be.

Dictatorships are not meritocratic systems. Heth has done nothing more than attempt to establish a facist dictatorship within the Caldari state. The state was founded by the join efforts of the Megacorporate entities at the time, and has, in all but the past five years, been ruled over by those Megacorporations. Claiming otherwise is blinding yourself to the truth.

Finally, It is once again you calling for genocide, though this time you have extended your threat to the Matari peoples aswell as the Gallente.

You're currently being the best possible advocate for the peace process. Do keep up the good work.


Seven Tribes.
One Matari People.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#25 - 2013-04-09 01:20:17 UTC
Quote:
The Templis Dragonaurs are nothing more than brutal, racist terrorists


To our hated enemy they maybe considered terrorists. We know them as loyalists partisans or freedom fighters.

Quote:
These are the names of the group of 'traitorous scum' that ignore the meritocratic system.
Collectively they like to refer to themselves as 'Provists'


We dont ignore the meritocratic system Chagangan. When it begins to fail, and some parts of the meritocracy have suspicions against them of being traitorous to the State during war. Unprecedented action needs to be taken.

Heth should be given emergency powers to appoint himself Dictator of the State while the war with the Federation continues, with the Chief Executive Panel just to have an advisory role. Final decision would be Heths alone.

Once the war with the Federation is over , the emergency powers could be receded and the State could go back to being a meritocracy.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2013-04-09 01:32:15 UTC
No, Mr. Horn, many of us know them as terrorists, as well. They stood against the order of the CEP, the board that governs the Caldari State. While they may have done so at the behest of Mr. Heth, the CEP remains the highest authority in the State.

We could carry on at length -- and indeed have! -- as to what this says about the legality of Heth's actions, and its implications for his position as executor.

And why, in the Maker's name, should we give Heth emergency powers when he is already in opposition to the highest authority in the State? Do you really want a civil war, with Kaalakiota and perhaps Lai Dai against all the rest of the State? It would be madness, a madness fitting Heth, but ultimately destructive to the State as a whole, and near to suicide for two of the eight.

Madness. I think I'm going to pay you as much mind as I do Ms. Kim -- hopefully, none.

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#27 - 2013-04-09 01:35:19 UTC
TomHorn wrote:


To our hated enemy they maybe considered terrorists. We know them as loyalists partisans or freedom fighters.


Pardon sir, but what? The Templis Dragonaurs have always been considered as terrorists,even dating as far back as the founding of the Caldari State.

TomHorn wrote:

Heth should be given emergency powers to appoint himself Dictator of the State while the war with the Federation continues, with the Chief Executive Panel just to have an advisory role. Final decision would be Heths alone.

Once the war with the Federation is over , the emergency powers could be receded and the State could go back to being a meritocracy.


This is not our way nor should it ever be, regardless of the man.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#28 - 2013-04-09 02:44:18 UTC
Quote:
Pardon sir, but what? The Templis Dragonaurs have always been considered as terrorists,even dating as far back as the founding of the Caldari State.


Not any more Louvaki. They are considered a political organisation , and you should stop calling them terrorists. They are loyalists , partisans , they've fought on Caldari Prime against the Gallenete Federation. Hrm are they not also freedom fighters.

They fight against our enemy and you call them terrorists.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#29 - 2013-04-09 02:53:59 UTC
I call them terrorists because that's what they are Horn-haan.

Their recognition and employment by the CPD does not absolve them of their sins and it doesn't speak of their merit that they have been used to oppress and even murder Caldari citizens who disagree with their twisted ideology. The organization as a whole has done terrible things, they spew dishonorable racial hatred and it is because of them we lost our Homeworld in the first place.

They have done nothing to earn my respect, but have done plenty to earn my ire.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#30 - 2013-04-09 03:01:21 UTC
Quote:
I call them terrorists because that's what they are Horn-haan.

Their recognition and employment by the CPD does not absolve them of their sins and it doesn't speak of their merit that they have been used to oppress and even murder Caldari citizens who disagree with their twisted ideology. The organization as a whole has done terrible things, they spew dishonorable racial hatred and it is because of them we lost our Homeworld in the first place.

They have done nothing to earn my respect, but have done plenty to earn my ire.


Well i respect your opinion Louvaki. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#31 - 2013-04-09 04:45:35 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
I call them terrorists because that's what they are Horn-haan.

Their recognition and employment by the CPD does not absolve them of their sins and it doesn't speak of their merit that they have been used to oppress and even murder Caldari citizens who disagree with their twisted ideology. The organization as a whole has done terrible things, they spew dishonorable racial hatred and it is because of them we lost our Homeworld in the first place.

They have done nothing to earn my respect, but have done plenty to earn my ire.


Well i respect your opinion Louvaki. We will just have to agree to disagree.


and I you Horn-haan, clear skies and fair profits.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#32 - 2013-04-09 05:17:50 UTC
Not the end I expected of that, kirjuunen; my respect to both of you on this matter.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-09 10:53:16 UTC
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
Awww, looks like I struck a nerve.

Firstly, 'dirty foreigner', The use of such a term does prove your ignorance, however, if I can refrain from the use of petty insults while talking to you, and you seek to maintain the 'higher ground' here, then it would aid your cause if you did the same.

Unfortunately, my tribal "friend", it's you who show ignorance by putting your primitive nose into our affairs. I do no care how you govern your barbarian folks and I am really not interested in. And I strongly recommend you to return to your kin and solve your bugs there and don't point your tribal fingers to the best to the date in whole cluster government system that was realized in our glorious State.

You have to know how it works, you have to see what benefits it brings, and how Caldari superiority is brought to life. You will never understand it sitting on your hides and pointing fingers.

If you want to get acquainted with affairs in the State, try to attend Caldari preschool educational classes at least for a year or two.

And it would really help, if you could explain what would your phrase "fascist dictatorship" mean? I knew tribals have some sort of their own governmental habits, but to this extent? Dictatorship looks like management system similar to army with strict orders from above to lower ranks. But "fascist"? I couldn't find meaning of this word in all State-approved dictionaries.

I still believe you should attend thorough course about management system in the State before continuing discussion with you, because with such approach it leads to nowhere. I am really not in the mood to educate primitives.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-04-09 11:12:58 UTC
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
Awww, looks like I struck a nerve.

Tell her she's not a real Caldari.

She threatens sword-fights and throws tantrums and actually starts crying. It's glorious.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

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