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Take a Moment to Review the Battleship Changes for the Next Coming Patch...
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Budrick3
Moira.
#1 - 2013-04-09 07:40:07 UTC
Whether you agree / disagree or are oblivious to the new "balancing" changes for Battleships in the next patch, you owe it to yourself to voice your opinion at the following thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

Some changes are good, some you have to wonder who in their right mind would propose such a terrible idea.

*Cough Hyperion change in particular.

In my personal opinion, I find it very ironic that the previous patch seemed to boost t1 cruisers so much. It was an awesome patch, and provided PVP at a fun and affordable level. But this patch seems that CCP is just dying to nerf Battleships by removing bonuses to resistances, and switching around fitting slots in some upsetting and drastic ways.

Battleships are supposed to be beefy brawlers, not watered down from their current state. So once again, voice your opinion at your race's thread.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2013-04-09 08:01:52 UTC
Most of the changes are a bloody sham!

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Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#3 - 2013-04-09 08:06:08 UTC
Being honest I like the changes (the new geddon is sexy). But, on the other hand, I hope they leave faction navy battleships as they are for the sake of variability.
pussnheels
Viziam
#4 - 2013-04-09 08:27:47 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Whether you agree / disagree or are oblivious to the new "balancing" changes for Battleships in the next patch, you owe it to yourself to voice your opinion at the following thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

Some changes are good, some you have to wonder who in their right mind would propose such a terrible idea.

*Cough Hyperion change in particular.

In my personal opinion, I find it very ironic that the previous patch seemed to boost t1 cruisers so much. It was an awesome patch, and provided PVP at a fun and affordable level. But this patch seems that CCP is just dying to nerf Battleships by removing bonuses to resistances, and switching around fitting slots in some upsetting and drastic ways.

Battleships are supposed to be beefy brawlers, not watered down from their current state. So once again, voice your opinion at your race's thread.



i don't see any big nerfs i see CCP pushing ships into a more clear role than they had before
only shame that the hyperion sees so little love , a damn good looking ship obvious a pve oriented ship but i never found it comfortable flying one

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Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-09 08:39:35 UTC
I just want to know how prices will be adjusted
now t3 is 2 times more expensive than t1

how is it going to be after patch?
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#6 - 2013-04-09 08:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kerdrak
Tub Chil wrote:
I just want to know how prices will be adjusted
now t3 is 2 times more expensive than t1

how is it going to be after patch?


Since they have nerfed T3 and boosted T1, I would say they will make the mineral reqs similar to tier 2.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-09 09:39:08 UTC
I saw the changes proposed to the Raven and started crying with joy.

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#8 - 2013-04-09 09:53:49 UTC
Kerdrak wrote:
Being honest I like the changes (the new geddon is sexy). But, on the other hand, I hope they leave faction navy battleships as they are for the sake of variability.


Stop putting drones and missiles on my amarr ships i trained lasers for a reason >.<

We dont all need borderline identical ships, what next giving the other 3 races a set of EW ships just to completely remove the fact that you picked a race and have to deal with what it does or doesn't have -.-
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#9 - 2013-04-09 10:12:37 UTC
Cypherous wrote:

Stop putting drones and missiles on my amarr ships i trained lasers for a reason >.<


Cypherous wrote:

We dont all need borderline identical ships,


Lol

Want me to list all the amarr ships that use lasers?
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#10 - 2013-04-09 10:17:14 UTC
Kerdrak wrote:


Lol

Want me to list all the amarr ships that use lasers?


Thats not really the point here, look at how many amarr ships dont use the right racial weapons, then look at the other races and compare the number of ships they have that don't follow the racial normal either :P

Only race that has a large difference now is amarr due to all the missile boats and drone boats they have been adding, if you want drones train for a drone race like gallente who have always had numerous ships based on drones
Whisperen
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-04-09 10:40:56 UTC
Its not like any other races potential laser boats are going to be better then amarr laser boats at shooting lasers. TBH Amarr needs the flexibility on damage type selection the Dragoon, Prophecy and Armageddon offer.
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#12 - 2013-04-09 10:41:48 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Kerdrak wrote:


Lol

Want me to list all the amarr ships that use lasers?


Thats not really the point here, look at how many amarr ships dont use the right racial weapons, then look at the other races and compare the number of ships they have that don't follow the racial normal either :P

Only race that has a large difference now is amarr due to all the missile boats and drone boats they have been adding, if you want drones train for a drone race like gallente who have always had numerous ships based on drones


Drones are not exclusive of Gallente
Missiles are not exclusive of Caldari

Learn the difference between "exclusive of" and "specialized in"

Amarr ships are specialized in lasers. Most amarr ships have laser bonus, but some ships are also missile ships (khanid ships are specialized in short range missiles) and also drone ships (arbitrator is one of the oldest drone ships)

Why you want 3 laser battleships? Question

They are adding a reason to train further and having more flexibility.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2013-04-09 11:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ACE McFACE
Cypherous wrote:
Kerdrak wrote:


Lol

Want me to list all the amarr ships that use lasers?


Thats not really the point here, look at how many amarr ships dont use the right racial weapons, then look at the other races and compare the number of ships they have that don't follow the racial normal either :P

Only race that has a large difference now is amarr due to all the missile boats and drone boats they have been adding, if you want drones train for a drone race like gallente who have always had numerous ships based on drones

Ships that use lasers:
Harbinger
Punisher
Oracle
Absolution
Armageddon (But not when Odyssey comes along)
Apocalypse
Abbadon
Redeemer
Paladin
Omen
Maller
Zealot
Devoter
Legion
Coercer
Crucifier
Executioner
Tormentor
Retribution
Crusader
Avatar
Revelation

Ships that don't use lasers:
Arbitrator
Curse
Pilgrim
Purifier (But you can't really have a stealth bomber that shoots lasers)
Prophecy
Damnation
Dragoon
Both carriers (Obviously)
Vengeance
Malediction
Heretic
Sacrilege

Ships I didn't include:
Industrial ships
EWar ships that only have guns/missiles for show/drone defence.
Purifier (You can't really have a stealth bomber that shoots lasers)
Navy ships.
Sansha and Blood Raider ships

I'm not going to do a list of ALL the factions because I can't be bothered doing what I just did 3 more times, but you'll find the same thing with Minmatar ships. Gallente and Caldari are a bit more focused on their main weapon systems (Drones, hybrids and missiles)

Edit: Drones are the Amarrs secondary weapon system anyway so its not like its out of place for an Amarr ship to use them, like missiles for Minmatar. Also most missile ships are Khanid anyway, and their main weapon system is missiles.

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Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-04-09 11:41:08 UTC
Quote:

The armageddon:
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)


Alas , armageddon , i kwew thee well.

Seriously , why did you do that ccp ? Now if i need a brawling BS i'm going to have to buy the much more expensive abbadon ? i hope you guys are going to keep tabs on the popularity of the ship before and after the patch , because i think it will change drastically.

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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#15 - 2013-04-09 11:43:55 UTC
It would be interesting if we could be able to make a selection between different "versions" of the same hull. For example, when "unpackaging" your Megathron, a pop up menu could appear and enable you to select between versions 1, 2 or 3 (at no additional cost). These versions could have different bonuses, different number of H, M and L slots. Differences in CPU, powergrid, and so on. People who love a particular race would then have the luxury to fly their favourite ships, in more types of situations.

Ship re-balances such as this would have less negative impacts on the players who love to fly and fit T1 battleships the way they always used to. This would also enable you CCP to either remove, modify or even add a new "version" of the same hull.

Think about it CCP.
Magormor
Homicidal Suicidal
#16 - 2013-04-09 11:46:13 UTC
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
Quote:

The armageddon:
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)


Alas , armageddon , i kwew thee well.

Seriously , why did you do that ccp ? Now if i need a brawling BS i'm going to have to buy the much more expensive abbadon ? i hope you guys are going to keep tabs on the popularity of the ship before and after the patch , because i think it will change drastically.


alass someone does not know how to read, all ship prices will be the same.
Dave Stark
#17 - 2013-04-09 11:49:21 UTC
Magormor wrote:
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
Quote:

The armageddon:
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)


Alas , armageddon , i kwew thee well.

Seriously , why did you do that ccp ? Now if i need a brawling BS i'm going to have to buy the much more expensive abbadon ? i hope you guys are going to keep tabs on the popularity of the ship before and after the patch , because i think it will change drastically.


alass someone does not know how to read, all ship prices will be the same.


considering the mineral requirements, as far as i'm aware, haven't been announced yet... nobody has any idea what the price will be post balance pass.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-04-09 12:36:55 UTC
All I see with the BS changes is CCP taking ship people hardly use and giving people a reason to use them. No reason for any outrage imo.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-09 12:49:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
All I see with the BS changes is CCP taking ship people hardly use and giving people a reason to use them. No reason for any outrage imo.

BS class does not really have "hardly used" ships, unlikely to cruisers and frigates.
maybe except hyperion that will stay same anyway
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#20 - 2013-04-09 13:08:44 UTC
Please note the forum section those changes are posted in. Ideas and Features. Meaning it's what they want to do, are asking for feedback, and want to know what people think. Doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch about it yet because they are not set into concrete. Relax... breathe...
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