Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This has been asked for years, if you did a simple forum search, you will find these threads all over the place, much like AFK cloaking threads, and so on.

This will not happen due to how it will make the code and art department cry.

this basically.

And they will also say for the blob type action net code is a work in progress. An area where I wished for a more cut down version graphically. A rough night of lag and some nights I couldn't even see graphics, black screen of death on the gate jump that broke the gerbils spinning the wheels of the servers backs lol. And this was with all sexy features turned off plus the other battery of settings to prep eve for blob warfare. I didn't realize how they beautified the game over 2-3 patches till I left 0.0 and turned it all back on tbh.

Or I could use a standard computer and not expect a gaming company to force you to have top of the line graphics cards in order to play their game on low graphics.

If the clouds disappeared at low graphics I could understand, seeing as how my computer runs the client perfectly in every situation EXCEPT the clouds...obviously its not an issue with the computer. Rather its an issue with CCP forcing you to run high graphics in a site even if you have low graphics turned on.

If you Montavious had read all the threads (like i have) you would see a reoccurring theme there.

About half the time its not a hardware issue.

I can play on max settings, i choose not to.
I also can, while zooming in and out in some sites, see absolutely nothing because of how the clouds work.

multiple clients in a cloud means bad things happening. god forbid you be in two different clouds.
While they have gotten better, why would you argue against being able to turn extraneous graphical flourishes off?
I cant think of any good reasons why i would have to carefully decenter my view to be able to read targets. can you?

oh yes because of clouds.

If you read the OP correctly you would know that my PC is NOT struggling with low end graphics. In fact it runs it all smooth on low or high UNTIL i hit a gas cloud and then its down the drain. Everywhere else in eve, warp effects, missiles, guns, battles....it all runs smooth. The issue isnt the computer itself, the issue is the cloud effects.

What I'm confused about is that most game companies expect you to at least have a minimal system requirements to play a game in general, and minimal system requirements means that you can run this game at the bare minimal, and when it means bare minimal, it means BARE MINIMAL, meaning crap FPS, crap graphics, crap just about anything. What I find funny is when people attempt to run a game below bare minimal system requirements, and expect the company to cater to just them, because they can't play the game, cause they are to cheap to upgrade to at least meet the minimal requirements. To do these upgrades you also must do research, like certain older cards are not supported, and the such.

I'll put it how it was put to me a long long time ago.

A gaming company isn't forcing you to buy or use their product, however, before you do buy or use their product, read all the warnings on the product. If you disregard the warnings, then don't be surprise that you bought or downloaded a rather useless product, don't complain to them, they already gave you all the warnings you would ever need.

This is were we disagree, my not so friend. First of all, I'm using a generic gaming card, this card can be found at newegg, lets say around 50 dollars after shipping and handling, I can run 5 clients at 100 FPS. I also have 0 problems with clouds, my FPS actually stays around the same when I enter a densely populated area(be it clouds, junk, or players) This card is far from premium.

I also have been reading your post, and here what I think, and I think this is the problem we are having here.

"you didn't read the minimal system requirements. However your card, despite not being supported, can still gives the illusion of running the game." Also how do you know gas isn't part of the game? How do you know it just a cosmetic effect? Lets just say for example that the clouds could be a reference point for NPC spawns in your mission. Removing said clouds as a hard reference points and giving them the ability to be remove, and thus no longer read from the server, could be the cause for the coding department to cry. Then you have to go through and modify each and every cloud texture, reference, and thus causing things to pop up that normally was hidden, this in turn could be the reason why the art department will cry.

Here something for you, and I want you to try this. Go try running battlefield 3, if your computer can't handle it, go complain of the forums that lower graphics settings is suppose to allow lower end computers to play the game. See what kind of response you get. I'll bet very much, it will be just like this, if not worse. Next, before you attempt to counter, and saying apple and oranges, I will provide this basically little knowledge, both of them are games, both of them provide warnings(minimal system requirements.) on what kind of system you need before you can play. Welcome to the world of PC gaming, where one must update their PC to keep up with the latest generation of games.

Seems to me like I exceed the specs except for graphics, having an Intel HD 3000 with 384 MB SHOULD allow me to run the game in all its glory at least half decently, with bare minimum graphics setting in the client I shouldnt have one damn problem. Except that I do with clouds, it seems obvious that the gas cloud particle density it too ******* high.

True enough but I am slightly exceeding the minimal requirements though. It should be slighly less in performance, but not that much.

In station my FPS is 20, in a cloud its 2

The problem here is that aside from your smartass attitude, I can play the game just fine, that isn't crippling, but since they have arbitrarily decided having clouds in EVERY ******* mission is "for the greater good" I can't run them. Obviously I can do other things in the game, but if this is an issue that is crippling a function within a fractal part of the game...it needs to be fixed.

Why the hell should I shell out 100 bucks for a better card, or 600 for a newer computer when Im paying CCP 138 bucks a year to maintain my gameplay and make it playable?? If the issue effected other parts of the game like missile effects and lasers and the like I would obviously shut my mouth and just upgrade the computer. However, there is no need to upgrade the damn thing, it runs fine in everything but a cloud.

It is possible though that it could be an issue with the way the have chosen to play eve on a mac. Instead of having a native mac client we are forced to package and run a windows client through a power PC emulator (WINE SERVER). It could be causing undue havoc with the graphics for cloud particles because all the other graphics run smooth and fine. It certainly does with eve voice.