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Why your CSM8 vote doesn't matter...

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Frying Doom
#281 - 2013-04-08 22:26:54 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic. .


And what "code and ethic" is this? "Don't call Eternum Praetorian out when he gets caught making **** up again"?



Here you go ******** spacemonkey.


Quote:
A Representative is supposed to be the common persons voice in the (insert establishment/videogame/state).


In the case of United States House Of Representatives (as an example) it was made to join the Senate in forming the legislative arm of our government, that part which writes and passes laws. Because a Representative only serves a two year term, it was thought that they would be more in touch with the average person, as opposed to Senators, who serve a six year term, and are more likely to be older, more affluent, and removed from everyday life.



It's everywhere my ******** spacemonkey. Didn't you make it to high school yet?

Would you like to try reality now?

And would you care to point to the common person?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#282 - 2013-04-08 22:27:32 UTC
I heard if you vote for the wrong person Goonswarm comes to your home and burns it down. Seems they have a CCP insider that is giving them confidential information from peoples accounts, could just be a rumor but what if it's true?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2013-04-08 22:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Didn't you make it to high school yet?


I did, and finished it, years ago! Perhaps once you score your elusive Grade 10, you might suddenly realize that although representatives have a very vague job description ("representing common people", after all, is not exactly specific), they are also people and not robots, and as such are not prohibited from either (a) having opinions or (b) sharing them. This may cost them votes if they anger a certain segment of their audience, but that's their problem, not yours.

If anything, one should be very suspect of a representative who refuses to speak up in the face of abject stupidity, as that's the one person that doesn't care about representing players and instead cares solely about their own power and sees the person vomiting nonsense everywhere as nothing more than a potential vote.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#284 - 2013-04-08 22:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Frying Doom wrote:
As to a website reference, try the one you are on.


Ummm.... so we are back at using this cesspool of a forum as "legitimate reference material" again are we?



Frying Doom wrote:

I am very aware these forums are not representative of EvE as a whole. As most of the people here vote for one thing.



You just say whatever the hell you want to try and enforce your view on other people. I just don't have the time to pyramid quote all of your dodging, back pedaling and blabbering. But I imagine at least some of the other readers here have noticed none the less.


I know I have Blink

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#285 - 2013-04-08 22:31:28 UTC
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
I heard if you vote for the wrong person Goonswarm comes to your home and burns it down. Seems they have a CCP insider that is giving them confidential information from peoples accounts, could just be a rumor but what if it's true?


SOUNDS LEGIT TO ME BlinkLol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#286 - 2013-04-08 22:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Snow Axe wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Didn't you make it to high school yet?


I did, and finished it, years ago! Perhaps once you score your elusive Grade 10, you might suddenly realize that although representatives have a very vague job description ("representing common people", after all, is not exactly specific), they are also people and not robots, and as such are not prohibited from either (a) having opinions or (b) sharing them. This may cost them votes if they anger a certain segment of their audience, but that's their problem, not yours.



Snow Axe promotes the corporate run and lobbied bullshit facade version of democracy. More news at 11:00!! Big smile

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#287 - 2013-04-08 22:35:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:


I hear persistent rumours that a Vote For Malcanis, may or indeed, may not, be a vote for bacon.

I suggest everyone should try it and find out.



Confirming that I am PRO BACON


wHAT ABOUT ponies?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Frying Doom
#288 - 2013-04-08 22:38:17 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As to a website reference, try the one you are on.


Ummm.... so we are back at using this cesspool of a forum as "legitimate reference material" again are we?



Frying Doom wrote:

I am very aware these forums are not representative of EvE as a whole. As most of the people here vote for one thing.



You just say whatever the hell you want to try and enforce your view on other people. I just don't have the time to pyramid quote all of your dodging, back pedaling and blabbering. But I imagine at least some of the other readers here have noticed none the less.


I know I have Blink

Nice out of context quoting.

But if you think the CSM is crap, the forums are a cesspool, you seem to see everything as crap.

Have you tried medication?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#289 - 2013-04-08 22:39:40 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Snow Axe promotes the corporate run and lobbied bullshit facade version of democracy. More news at 11:00!! Big smile


Are you actually seriously unironically trying to say that a representative needs to be literally capable of represting EVERY person ever, even though those very people may not even agree with each other?

Has it occurred to you, even for a second, that by calling out your stupidity Malcanis may have won votes? That may sound cynical, but in effect, by calling you out, he has effectively represented more than 1 person who had a problem with what you were saying, and that by remaining silent, he may have represented you effectively but ignored many others who had a problem with what you were saying?

Also are you aware that there is an entire spectrum of colors, and not just black and white?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#290 - 2013-04-08 22:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Didn't you make it to high school yet?


I did, and finished it, years ago! Perhaps once you score your elusive Grade 10, you might suddenly realize that although representatives have a very vague job description ("representing common people", after all, is not exactly specific), they are also people and not robots, and as such are not prohibited from either (a) having opinions or (b) sharing them. This may cost them votes if they anger a certain segment of their audience, but that's their problem, not yours.



Snow Axe promotes the corporate run and lobbied bullshit facade version of democracy. More news at 11:00!! Big smile

Which view is that?

That people who don't vote are handing this election to Null sec on a silver platter?

Oh I forgot your a Null wanna bee arn't you.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ai Shun
#291 - 2013-04-08 22:53:15 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Show me the literature that states specifically that they are there to slap down ideas. Also, please clarify how they identify said stupid ideas that CCP wants them to slap down. Do you have a website I can reference?


Around the time of what was to be the start of the second Mittani CSM the CSM charter was published somewhere on the forums. I wish I could find the link; but after a few half-hearted searches I gave up out of sheer laziness. It does however describe everything about the CSM in detail.

Your question is touched on briefly in the "How to raise a proposal" section of EVElopedia. See the section on ignore / rejection of proposals.

This is of course you're talking about proposals raised in the Assembly hall with popular support and so forth. If it's just a throwaway forum thread well; it's not part of the CSM process then is it?
Dave Stark
#292 - 2013-04-08 23:17:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


if you actually want to get anything worth while done; yes it is.


Bullshit. That is why you have executives. They make those decisions the representatives do not.


yes because that's the best use of their time, rather than just ignoring ideas like "hmls should reach out to 500km" etc.

stop being dense.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#293 - 2013-04-08 23:26:44 UTC
Why am I imagining the OP talking in a Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock voice?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#294 - 2013-04-08 23:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Snow Axe wrote:


Are you actually seriously unironically trying to say that a representative needs to be literally capable of represting EVERY person ever, even though those very people may not even agree with each other?



No, not at all. You are just failing at reading comprehension again.

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Dave Stark
#295 - 2013-04-08 23:35:42 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Why am I imagining the OP talking in a Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock voice?



it doesn't matter what you think if you vote
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#296 - 2013-04-08 23:36:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

yes because that's the best use of their time, rather than just ignoring ideas like "hmls should reach out to 500km" etc.

stop being dense.


Exactly what sizable % demographic of eve players are saying that HMLS should reach out to 500km's these days? Oh that's right, your example has no realistic frame of reference.

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Frying Doom
#297 - 2013-04-08 23:37:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:


Are you actually seriously unironically trying to say that a representative needs to be literally capable of represting EVERY person ever, even though those very people may not even agree with each other?



No, not at all. You are just failing at reading comprehension again.

Politicians support groups of people who feel srongly enough about concept to make them selves heard.

Those who do not not, are obviously happy with the way things are, and the direction things are going. Otherwise they would vote.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ai Shun
#298 - 2013-04-08 23:38:37 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Show me the literature that states specifically that they are there to slap down ideas. Also, please clarify how they identify said stupid ideas that CCP wants them to slap down. Do you have a website I can reference?


Around the time of what was to be the start of the second Mittani CSM the CSM charter was published somewhere on the forums. I wish I could find the link; but after a few half-hearted searches I gave up out of sheer laziness. It does however describe everything about the CSM in detail.

Your question is touched on briefly in the "How to raise a proposal" section of EVElopedia. See the section on ignore / rejection of proposals.

This is of course you're talking about proposals raised in the Assembly hall with popular support and so forth. If it's just a throwaway forum thread well; it's not part of the CSM process then is it?


Found the document or a similar one. It seems a bit lighter than I remember it. You can read it here, linked from here. Page 9 in particular is relevant to this discussion.
Frying Doom
#299 - 2013-04-08 23:39:27 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Why am I imagining the OP talking in a Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock voice?



it doesn't matter what you think if you vote

Correct because in an STV system by not voting you are effecting the election exactly as if you voted for the people who everyone else is voting.

So in another words non-voters are siding with Null sec at this point. I do hope they point out when they win the massive support they got from the non-voters.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#300 - 2013-04-08 23:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ai Shun wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Show me the literature that states specifically that they are there to slap down ideas. Also, please clarify how they identify said stupid ideas that CCP wants them to slap down. Do you have a website I can reference?


Around the time of what was to be the start of the second Mittani CSM the CSM charter was published somewhere on the forums. I wish I could find the link; but after a few half-hearted searches I gave up out of sheer laziness. It does however describe everything about the CSM in detail.

Your question is touched on briefly in the "How to raise a proposal" section of EVElopedia. See the section on ignore / rejection of proposals.

This is of course you're talking about proposals raised in the Assembly hall with popular support and so forth. If it's just a throwaway forum thread well; it's not part of the CSM process then is it?



Nowhere does it say they are there to slap down ideas princess. It says...

Quote:
"My proposal was ignored

What can I do ?

Did your proposal contain the information listed above?
Time during a CSM meeting is limited so proposals may be prioritised based on support. If your proposal didn't make it onto the agenda then try to get more supporters. "



Which has absolutely nothing to do with the CSM in question. It has to do with how much support your personal idea has, thus, it is not just the notion of one anymore it is then a % of the playerbase. Once it is that, the CSM is required to bring it to the attention of CCP.



Nowhere does it say that the CSM has the right to screen (or slap down) any idea that has a large enough following. They are only there to convey it. You get 9.5 stars for a semi-intellgent retort however. Do you have anymore?

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