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Why your CSM8 vote doesn't matter...

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#261 - 2013-04-08 21:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Mag's wrote:
That's a lot of words to show you only have anecdotal evidence, regarding a point that means nothing to the fact that subs are at an all time high. Also it proves nothing regarding alt accounts, but thanks for posting. Big smile


Anecdotal goes hand in hand with a small cross section. Proportional to most others playing this game my cross section is quite large and embodies just about every profession in EVE Online. So your assertion is inaccurate. My testament was not submitted as physical evidence, nor is it anecdotal. It's like testing a medicine on 2,000 people and drawing a conclusion on how it will work on the rest of the population of 200,000,000. It is far from perfect, but it can still give you a pretty good idea of what to expect most of the time.


Oh yea... and the absence of proof is still not proof that something is not factual. Nice try though.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#262 - 2013-04-08 21:15:52 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Also, it is not the job of the player base to not **** on the CSM's, it is however the CSM's job as representatives to not **** on the players back. So the fault is still theirs in both cases.



Wrong in both cases. The forum TOS show you wrong on the first point; and I challenge you to point to the part of the white paper that says CSMs aren't allowed to answer back.



Um... the word in "*******'****************************" is a short four letter word for urination . lol Their job is not to urinate on the players back. So not only am I not wrong in both cases, and not only have you failed to even comprehend what I typed, you, mr CSM candidate, have proven yourself to be even stupider then I imagined you to be. Excellent.


And I guess this is why your CSM8 votes won't count, CSM reading comprehension is to low to understand what the players are typing.


If by "**** on" you mean "expose people who post stupid arguments and get angry when they're shown up for it", then I'm going to go with, yes, actually we are allowed to do it.

We just get to do it to CCP as well Blink


You're making an unfounded assumption. We're not accepting it just because you say so. You're mad because we're actually demanding some kind of evidence or data, and you haven't got any. You won't admit you're wrong because you don't want to look silly in public, we're not going to let you get away with making unfounded statements. repeat ad infinitum

The usual get out option for someone in your position is to claim that you were "trolling". I'd go with that if I were you; it won't make you look good but it can't make you look any worse and at least we could get the thread back on track.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#263 - 2013-04-08 21:17:18 UTC
On the subject of the thread:

People, you should vote so that you get a say in shaping the game and Eternal doesn't, which will make him even more super mad.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#264 - 2013-04-08 21:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis wrote:
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If by "**** on" you mean "expose people who post stupid arguments and get angry when they're shown up for it", then I'm going to go with, yes, actually we are allowed to do it..


I stopped reading right here. Nothing else that you said, or could say, could possibly matter. These are not the words of a representative. This is not the mind-state that should exist within someone who is representing my interests, the paying customer, to the game designers. We are paying consumers. There are no "stupid people" there is only being political. There is customer service. There is trying to understand where said person's grievances and aggression are coming from, however misplaced it might be, and there is the endeavor to rectify that relationship.


A thing that CCP and the CSM's need more now then ever.



You are a pathetic excuse for a representative.

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Dave stark
#265 - 2013-04-08 21:24:17 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
There are no "stupid people"


what planet are you living on? it sounds better than this one.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#266 - 2013-04-08 21:28:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
There are no "stupid people"


what planet are you living on? it sounds better than this one.



Quoting someone quoting out of context. It's not rocket science, a representative does not call any portion of the people he/she is representing "stupid". Their sole purpose is to convey the ideas of everyone they represent, no matter how he/she feels about it.


Obvious is obvious.

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Dave stark
#267 - 2013-04-08 21:32:47 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
There are no "stupid people"


what planet are you living on? it sounds better than this one.



Quoting someone quoting out of context. It's not rocket science, a representative does not call any portion of the people he/she is representing "stupid". Their sole purpose is to convey the ideas of everyone they represent, no matter how he/she feels about it.


Obvious is obvious.


why not? what's wrong with calling stupid people stupid?

just because a person is capable of having an idea, doesn't make that idea good or worthy of consideration.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#268 - 2013-04-08 21:39:06 UTC
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic.


Like I said, not rocket science. You people just have agendas.

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Dave stark
#269 - 2013-04-08 21:44:28 UTC
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.
Frying Doom
#270 - 2013-04-08 21:44:32 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic.


Like I said, not rocket science. You people just have agendas.

Yes they are an as a CSM, they are expected to have a higher code of conduct, they are also there specifically to slap down stupid ideas.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#271 - 2013-04-08 22:02:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.



Never did I, or you, say the word "one". That... was not such a nice try. Kind of crappy really.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#272 - 2013-04-08 22:03:52 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic.


Like I said, not rocket science. You people just have agendas.

Yes they are an as a CSM, they are expected to have a higher code of conduct, they are also there specifically to slap down stupid ideas.




Show me the literature that states specifically that they are there to slap down ideas. Also, please clarify how they identify said stupid ideas that CCP wants them to slap down. Do you have a website I can reference?

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Dave stark
#273 - 2013-04-08 22:04:28 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.



Never did I, or you, say the word "one". That... was not such a nice try. Kind of crappy really.


what? what has that even got to do with the fact that some ideas and people are stupid and just shouldn't be represented?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2013-04-08 22:07:06 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic. .


And what "code and ethic" is this? "Don't call Eternum Praetorian out when he gets caught making **** up again"?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#275 - 2013-04-08 22:18:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic.


Like I said, not rocket science. You people just have agendas.

Yes they are an as a CSM, they are expected to have a higher code of conduct, they are also there specifically to slap down stupid ideas.




Show me the literature that states specifically that they are there to slap down ideas. Also, please clarify how they identify said stupid ideas that CCP wants them to slap down. Do you have a website I can reference?

Really?

So you are suggesting that they get elected not for the ability to identify a stupid idea, so what your saying is the CSM as our voice should have sat their during Incarna and told CCP "Don't worry everything is fine"

As to a website reference, try the one you are on. As to their ability to identify a stupid idea, well that is why we have elections so morons who believe that they don't need to slap down crap ideas or who cannot identify them, don't make it onto the CSM.

I mean they really need an emote in this forum for point and laugh my ass off at you.

LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#276 - 2013-04-08 22:19:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.



Never did I, or you, say the word "one". That... was not such a nice try. Kind of crappy really.


what? what has that even got to do with the fact that some ideas and people are stupid and just shouldn't be represented?



It is not the role of the representative to make that desertion.

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Dave stark
#277 - 2013-04-08 22:20:19 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.



Never did I, or you, say the word "one". That... was not such a nice try. Kind of crappy really.


what? what has that even got to do with the fact that some ideas and people are stupid and just shouldn't be represented?



It is not the role of the representative to make that desertion.


if you actually want to get anything worth while done; yes it is.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-04-08 22:22:44 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's fine if you are not fulfilling the role of a representative. If you are, you are expected to conduct yourself according to a certain code and ethic. .


And what "code and ethic" is this? "Don't call Eternum Praetorian out when he gets caught making **** up again"?



Here you go ******** spacemonkey.


Quote:
A Representative is supposed to be the common persons voice in the (insert establishment/videogame/state).


In the case of United States House Of Representatives (as an example) it was made to join the Senate in forming the legislative arm of our government, that part which writes and passes laws. Because a Representative only serves a two year term, it was thought that they would be more in touch with the average person, as opposed to Senators, who serve a six year term, and are more likely to be older, more affluent, and removed from everyday life.



It's everywhere my ******** spacemonkey. Didn't you make it to high school yet?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#279 - 2013-04-08 22:23:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


if you actually want to get anything worth while done; yes it is.


Bullshit. That is why you have executives. They make those decisions the representatives do not.

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Frying Doom
#280 - 2013-04-08 22:24:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you're meant to represent a group of people, not individuals.

you can't champion bad ideas to represent one person, at the cost of the group of people you're meant to be representing.



Never did I, or you, say the word "one". That... was not such a nice try. Kind of crappy really.


what? what has that even got to do with the fact that some ideas and people are stupid and just shouldn't be represented?



It is not the role of the representative to make that desertion.


if you actually want to get anything worth while done; yes it is.

Plus as an elected representative why would you care about the wishes of someone who does not vote?

Non-voters may moan and complain about things but at the end of the day they have already shown that they will moan and complain about everything anyway, and do nothing about it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!