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carebears are scaring off noobs with boredom.

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Polaris Sagan
Doomheim
#361 - 2013-04-08 19:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Polaris Sagan
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I obviously didn't.

maybe your a boring person.



This is exactly why nobody takes threads such as yours seriously.

Credibility......out the window.


This. In my post earlier he called me ignorant. Yet he was ignorant to the point I was making...

This is what it's come down to in threads such as these: "You're wrong, my point is right. If you don't accept that fact I will just belittle your character and personality".

EDIT: No one can have a debate on this forum without name calling... I find it... amusing Lol
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#362 - 2013-04-08 19:39:49 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:

Carebears teach noobs eve is boring and so they quit.




I obviously didn't.

according to your many, many posts on the subject not only did you quit forever you quit forever many times



Getting desperate for attention lately, are ya'll not ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#363 - 2013-04-08 19:40:49 UTC
Polaris Sagan wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I obviously didn't.

maybe your a boring person.



This is exactly why nobody takes threads such as yours seriously.

Credibility......out the window.


This. In my post earlier he called me ignorant. Yet he was ignorant to the point I was making...

This is what it's come down to in threads such as these: "You're wrong, my point is right. If you don't accept that fact I will just belittle your character and personality".

EDIT: No one can have a debate on this forum without name calling... I find it... amusing Lol



Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
motgus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#364 - 2013-04-08 19:41:15 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
motgus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
motgus wrote:

Talk to pvpers, they will tell you the same story. People told them to do carebear bullshit which drives people from the game, mining, mission running etc. Quite possibly some of the worst ways to make money, both in isk per hour and just sheer boardem.



It failed to drive me away. Obviously.

And tell the 'worst ISK/HR' info to my 6 Bill ISK a month Wallet.


Edit: And yes, I play in Low sec too. Just way to many generalizations made in these trash threads.



Like I said, some people love to do it. Never did i say EVERYONE. I am just saying it drives a significant number of people away because its just such a boring game style.



Then it just was not their game.

With the highest number of subscribers in EVE's history, is there a problem or something ??


You will never understand. You have the disease of the carebear. It's happened to so many current players. They played the game, did your carebear type bullshit, found it was nightmareishly boring and quit the game. They came back a few times because they knew the game had potential but did not know how. Once they found a route to the many, many funner activities compared to mission running and mining, they cannot see themselves playing other games like they do eve.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#365 - 2013-04-08 19:42:00 UTC
motgus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
motgus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
motgus wrote:

Talk to pvpers, they will tell you the same story. People told them to do carebear bullshit which drives people from the game, mining, mission running etc. Quite possibly some of the worst ways to make money, both in isk per hour and just sheer boardem.



It failed to drive me away. Obviously.

And tell the 'worst ISK/HR' info to my 6 Bill ISK a month Wallet.


Edit: And yes, I play in Low sec too. Just way to many generalizations made in these trash threads.



Like I said, some people love to do it. Never did i say EVERYONE. I am just saying it drives a significant number of people away because its just such a boring game style.



Then it just was not their game.

With the highest number of subscribers in EVE's history, is there a problem or something ??


You will never understand. You have the disease of the carebear. It's happened to so many current players. They played the game, did your carebear type bullshit, found it was nightmareishly boring and quit the game. They came back a few times because they knew the game had potential but did not know how. Once they found a route to the many, many funner activities compared to mission running and mining, they cannot see themselves playing other games like they do eve.



It's just way to subjective of a subject to even talk about.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#366 - 2013-04-08 19:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:
So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.


I'm pretty sure there is a warning pop up by default when you try to go to low sec. Other than the odd mission that goes through low-sec, there is nothing CCP is doing to get people into low sec.

The only time I have seen newbies go into low sec without dying is when a corp gets everyone into a fleet for a low sec roam. First you need a corp for that and by default CCP doesn't really do a good job about how to find a good corp.

So no. CCP has no vested interest in sending newbies into low sec and warns them if they wander that way.

Even if CCP made a low sec tutorial (which they won't) it will pale in comparision to what real human interaction will teach you over voice coms.

The issue is not that CCP isn't teaching newbies, its that the player base isn't teaching them.

Really... Its the fault of the players.

The solution? People need to activily recruit into newbie friendly PVP corps that spends time to actually show them how to live in low sec and then not awox them for the lulz.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#367 - 2013-04-08 19:43:30 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Getting desperate for attention lately, are ya'll not ?

i'm sorry, is it not relevant to your claim that "obviously [you] did not quit" that you have made many, many threads stating your intention to quit? that is, surely, relevant to anyone weighing the credibility of your statements on the subject
Polaris Sagan
Doomheim
#368 - 2013-04-08 19:43:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Polaris Sagan wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I obviously didn't.

maybe your a boring person.



This is exactly why nobody takes threads such as yours seriously.

Credibility......out the window.


This. In my post earlier he called me ignorant. Yet he was ignorant to the point I was making...

This is what it's come down to in threads such as these: "You're wrong, my point is right. If you don't accept that fact I will just belittle your character and personality".

EDIT: No one can have a debate on this forum without name calling... I find it... amusing Lol



Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.


Dude I was sticking up for you... But have it your own way...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#369 - 2013-04-08 19:45:10 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Getting desperate for attention lately, are ya'll not ?

i'm sorry, is it not relevant to your claim that "obviously [you] did not quit" that you have made many, many threads stating your intention to quit? that is, surely, relevant to anyone weighing the credibility of your statements on the subject



You believe what you read in GD ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#370 - 2013-04-08 19:45:53 UTC
Polaris Sagan wrote:


Dude I was sticking up for you... But have it your own way...


Oops. sorry. Oops Reread.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
motgus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#371 - 2013-04-08 19:46:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:




It's just way to subjective of a subject to even talk about.


If thats a coy way of saying you admit you are wrong, then I applaud your honesty.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2013-04-08 19:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.

To be fair your comment lost some context or didn't fully understand it.

Quote:
"It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing"...that attitude (referring to the attitude of the statement in quotes) is a much bigger problem than the carebears.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#373 - 2013-04-08 19:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
motgus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:




It's just way to subjective of a subject to even talk about.


If thats a coy way of saying you admit you are wrong, then I applaud your honesty.



No it's a coy way of stating the truth.

You are simply assigning 'wrong' to it.

Edit: also, accusing me of being 'wrong' about my own game experience ? GTFO. Seriously.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#374 - 2013-04-08 19:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carebear mining and mission ops keeping losec and nullsec empty?
Blob vs blob warfare making your corpmembers :sadpanda:?
CCP's singing to the carebear tune of nerfdom cramping your fix for pew in empire?

We have the solution...

DECAGEDDON!

Why the frustration? Why the blue balls?
Wardec a carebear corp today!

CONCORD operators are standing by! Submit a wardec now!

"I was :sadpanda: futzing about in losec looking for kills, then grinding rats to get my sec status back up. Wardeccing carebear corps gave me the release I was looking for" - Anonymous Losec roamer

"My wife and I run an indy corp on our mains, but I haven't told her I get more fun with my secret alt that I use to dec carebear corps. Its not cheating if she doesn't know right?" - Anonymous Indy Pilot

"I was a nullsec god, FC'ing supercap fleets against supercap fleets, until I tried my first carebear. Feyd was all 'just the tip', but I knew once I had my first taste of carebear pod goo I would be all the way in..its cool' - Anonymous Nullsec pilot

Would you like to know more?
Esteban Dragonovic
Saidusairos Nebula Concern
#375 - 2013-04-08 19:49:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:

So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.



As EVE is a Sandbox, I don't think even CCP can define 'optimal use'.

Such arrogance........


To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.
motgus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#376 - 2013-04-08 19:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: motgus
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
motgus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:




It's just way to subjective of a subject to even talk about.


If thats a coy way of saying you admit you are wrong, then I applaud your honesty.



No it's a coy way of stating the truth.

You are simply assigning 'wrong' to it.


The author brought up a valid point that it is a fairly common occurrence that players are driven away by carebear misery. You enjoy what you do, supposedly. That's great. All we are trying to point out here is that SOME (NOT all) players do not like your style of game play and are often driven away by it.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#377 - 2013-04-08 19:51:11 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

You believe what you read in GD ?

i'm sorry, i assumed that someone criticizing someone else for having no credibility would not be claiming that their posts should not be believed

so we can safely assume that because this is still GD, your posts are not reliable and certainly not any of your factual assertions
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#378 - 2013-04-08 19:51:26 UTC
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:

So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.



As EVE is a Sandbox, I don't think even CCP can define 'optimal use'.

Such arrogance........


To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.



What does tossing 3 day old players into Low have to do with learning anything ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#379 - 2013-04-08 19:53:26 UTC
motgus wrote:
All we are trying to point out here is that SOME (NOT all) players do not like your style of game play and are often driven away by it.



......and some can't stand the idea of PvP either. So what ?

The game has not suffered for ill in a decade of it's existence from this. Not one iota.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#380 - 2013-04-08 19:54:22 UTC
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:

So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.



As EVE is a Sandbox, I don't think even CCP can define 'optimal use'.

Such arrogance........


To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.

Optimal use needn't be a factor when personal enjoyment is the primary factor of retention. People can and likely will try their best to pigeon hole themselves into the aspects of the game they enjoy most.