Warfare & Tactics

I am not a fw-guy. But i always asked myself why fw-plexes are so easy that they can be done in stealth-bombers and other frigs?
If a plex would be more difficult - so that i need at least a battlecruiser to complete them, then the pvp-guys would have easier targets and more fun dont they?

I can tell you why plexes are so easy: In the past they where hard, the result was that everybody running a plex did run immediatelly when a WT entered it, because he knew that having rat aggro + fighting one PVP player means instant death. For this reason CCP made plexing easy so that players can stay and fight inside the plex. Unfortunatelly CCP has not considered that WCS and clocking up inside the plex will get so common because of farmers.

I think the key to FW is simply this:

T1 LP rewards are not worth doing. So people don't do them and FW becomes stale and people jump to higher tier FW.

If T1 was removed and T2,T3,T4,T5 rewards were dropped to T1,T2,T3,T4 then people would still want to fight/farm when they are T1.

As it stands as soon as factions hit T1 then no one can be bothered so the higher tier farmers farm uncontested.

I actually don't have anything against farming or pve in general.

People can farm epic missions, cosmos missions, fw missions, high sec low sec null sec missions, they can farm rats in low and null sec, they can farm incursions in high low and null sec, they can farm sleepers in wormholes etc etc, Leave it all I am fine with it.

Null sec sov can have their blob pvp. I don't care, if people like that then good for them.


All I ask is that we have just one quality pvp mechanic. FW sov can easilly fill that role. Does it also need to be yet another pve mechanic? How about a little more variety in eve?

So you are predicting that notifications will cause too many people (blobs) to go in a plex, and then all of sudden they will be ignored and no one will go in the plex, and then all of a sudden it will go back to too many people (blobs) again.

If it swings back and forth won't there be times when it is just right? Why are you so sure these times won't be the general rule. Right now rabbits are determining sov in 90% of the systems. They have been doing this pretty much since fw came out. Isn't it time we pushed this pendulum toward the pvpers?

Why do you think its impossible that adapting to it will mean dividing your pvp ships to cover the different areas of fw and actually fighting for the plexes?

If one militia is clearly outgunned for a time they will have to try to hit distant sections of the map all at once. If the enemy blob comes at top speed there may be traps. Also they will be leaving that section behind. So unless they leave some of their pvpers the smaller side can then start plexing there. If they try to take their time and scout everything out they will lose plexes. Finally there will be some strategic assignment of pilots, other than "everyone get in the blob." The side with better mobility, organization and pvp skill will be better than the side that can simply form the largest blob.


Here is the point you overlook. If you blob consists out of 20 ships 5 of each size then even 5 ships are usually more then enough to kill any solo player especially in a Novice Plex. Considering that most FW-blobs are usually of Frigate of Dessy size even a small blob of 5 to 10 Frigs/Dessies can easily kill a Battleship if it is a well organized group.
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In my experience fcs of 20+ man fleets will rarely send all their tackle in to kill a single plexer. Because if they do they may miss tackle on something that the whole fleet could fight. Even if they lose just a ship or two it tends to hold up the fleet while those people reship. Generally fcs of large fw blobs are trying to just keep everyone together and firing at the primary.

Believe me. I have been in plenty of plexes and when I see large blobs of ships its really rare for them to go in the plex. But if they divide up their blob to fight I think that is a good thing. If I warp out will the blob stay there and wait for the timer? Will part of the blob stay? If so we just divided the blob.

The thing is, fw sov already has allot of safeguards against blobs winning the sov war in all the systems. Yes a blob will win in 10% of the systems. That is what we have now. But if the game improved where the factions cared about sov in the other 90% of systems then you would see blobs getting divided into smaller groups.

Also as a solo pilot I love fights where my one larger ship fights several smaller ships. Sometimes I make out well sometimes I get blanked but they are typically good fights.

Thats like saying ccp developed top astroid belts as a pvp mechanic.

Edit: sorry XG but threads like this will continue to pop up as long as fw sov is a carebear race. CCP might as well fix it.

I have no rage against carebears. I gave lots of ways players can carebear in eve. I don't have an issue with any of them. Even in faction war they can run missions. Its fine with me.

I just wish fw sov didn't have to be yet another carebear mechanic.

Dude, you're answering the same things multiple times now. And again, I'm glad 13 people gave you an upvote years ago and are somewhat disappointed nearly everybody today puts a notification system at the bottom of a list of potential modifications to occupancy warfare plexing mechanics.

I'll make it easy for you. Your notifications proposal has received less support than almost every other proposal out there.

Then it should be easy to provide links to 5 other specific assembly hall fw proposals in the last 3 years that had/have over 25 upvotes.

Until you post them, I think I will believe my own eyes, rather than your posts.

BTW: I am only asking for 5 so you can use your fingers to help you count.