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DUST 514 - [POLL] - Platform Decisions

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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#1 - 2011-10-31 06:32:49 UTC
Dust 514

CCP's Next Big Thing. They've put a lot of work into it so far and there comes a time when you've got to make a decision about where you want to take your Game.

So the Questions I've got to ask CCP is...

Have you Decided PS3 Only? --- [ Yes/No ]
Have you Considered PC/Mac/Xbox? --- [ Yes/No ]
Would it be Practical to Build Dust for PC; or Mac; or XBOX? --- [ Yes/No | Yes/No | Yes/No ]
Have you Taken a Poll of Your Players and Seen where they want to see Dust? --- [ Yes/No ]

Now my Question / Poll for You Guys is..

Which Platforms Should Dust Be Available on?
[D514-P] <--- Insert That into your Poll for it to be easier to track down and collect the Poll Data.

I think the Ps3 is a narrow market to try and hit, you may save money in production but lose money when the market flops on it.

Include the Ps3 Version but try and hit the 360 Version and PC/Mac Versions Respectively and you'll be able to get enough people able to buy it and play it. Because I Garuntee I'm not buying a Ps3 to play Dust. I'll just let the idea of playing it gather Dust for 514 Years... or when CCP Releases a PC/360 Version of it... Which Ever Comes first. I'm thinking against the latter.
Shalia Ripper
#2 - 2011-10-31 08:20:03 UTC
OP has failed to read pretty much everything about DUST 514.



Sig blah blah blah blah

Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#3 - 2011-10-31 08:32:19 UTC
Probably So. But this Poll isn't about what I know about Dust it's about what peoples opinions are about The Dust 514 Launching Platform.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-31 08:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Probably So. But this Poll isn't about what I know about Dust it's about what peoples opinions are about The Dust 514 Launching Platform.


What you don't know about dust, makes your poll irrelevant.
It's on console specifically as design intent to interact with the console market.
It's like asking if you think maybe a car should be an airplane instead.

[D514-P]
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dust+514

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Holy One
Privat Party
#5 - 2011-10-31 08:34:23 UTC
CCP makes much of the Dust:Eve tie in but from what I have read, it will be rather thin at best. Platform wise, I don't think anyone cares about dust if there is no PC client. There may be in time, but by then it will be old news.

As for do I want to play Dust? Sure why not. Will I buy a PS3 to play it? Lol no.

Since that sums it up for me, I don't care what CCP does/says/brags about DUST514 since I will almost certainly never play it.

:)

Shalia Ripper
#6 - 2011-10-31 08:41:42 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Probably So. But this Poll isn't about what I know about Dust it's about what peoples opinions are about The Dust 514 Launching Platform.


Your original post lacks clarity.

And you still have failed to read and understand what has already been beaten to death about DUST 514.

Sig blah blah blah blah

Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#7 - 2011-10-31 08:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirak Nijoba
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Probably So. But this Poll isn't about what I know about Dust it's about what peoples opinions are about The Dust 514 Launching Platform.


What you don't know about dust, makes your poll irrelevant.
It's on console specifically as design intent to interact with the console market.
It's like asking if you think maybe a car should be an airplane instead.

[D514-P]
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dust+514


I don't think it makes it Irrelevant at all.

This POLL is relevant to the Opinions of whether people think that DUST should be Ps3 Exclusive or not.

Then most likely if it's ps3 exclusive those who don't own a ps3 that play eve wont play it. Then people who don't know eve wont know about Dust 514 or care enough about it to play it.

If it were on multiple platforms it gives more of a window of opportunity instead of a hole.

Shalia Ripper wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Probably So. But this Poll isn't about what I know about Dust it's about what peoples opinions are about The Dust 514 Launching Platform.


Your original post lacks clarity.

And you still have failed to read and understand what has already been beaten to death about DUST 514.


I'd be willing to edit my post if you show me where it lacks clarity...

I've said before. I don't care what I don't know about DUST 514. This POLL isn't about what I know or don't know. It's about what platforms DUST 514 should be released on...

Because already we know 2 / 5 people who've read this post wont Play dust because they don't have a Ps3. Does it matter to us what others think? not really. Does it matter to CCP what we think? probably not. Does it matter if DUST 514 will only ever come out on Ps3? Yes. To those who want to play it but can't due to not owning a PS3 - Also Yes. To those who own a Ps3 but don't care about DUST 514.

What you have to take a look at is the % of EVE Players that own PS3's ... Then the % of PS3 Players who will be interested in DUST.

Then the % Of Eve Players who don't own Ps3's wanting to play dust Versus the % of Eve Players who Own Ps3's that probably wont play Dust.

You come down to a Very Small number of Players actually buying DUST. Compared the the % of Players that would Play Dust if it were able to be released on multiple platforms.

Does this take time to program it to be capable of running on multiple platforms? Yes as well as Money.
Though they might just spend a lot of money on DUST just to have it Fail on the Ps3 Only Release...
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-31 09:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
This POLL is relevant to the Opinions of whether people think that DUST should be Ps3 Exclusive or not


No it's not. Their opinions stand without your poll and were easily anticipated. You don't lock out a demographic BY ACCIDENT it was on purpose, and that decision to not put it on PC had nothing to do with any of these things, and polling them does no good.

We all know everyone would like to play the game linked with theirs on PC, but that alone is not a point, it's just a circle jerk. You are implying the point that they should open the market to PC to get more sales, but that's not the point of Dust 514 and never was. Now please stop being thick, and go read what Dust 514's marketing is about.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#9 - 2011-10-31 10:23:19 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
This POLL is relevant to the Opinions of whether people think that DUST should be Ps3 Exclusive or not


No it's not. Their opinions stand without your poll and were easily anticipated. You don't lock out a demographic BY ACCIDENT it was on purpose, and that decision to not put it on PC had nothing to do with any of these things, and polling them does no good.

We all know everyone would like to play the game linked with theirs on PC, but that alone is not a point, it's just a circle jerk. You are implying the point that they should open the market to PC to get more sales, but that's not the point of Dust 514 and never was. Now please stop being thick, and go read what Dust 514's marketing is about.


You fail to understand...

It's an opinion poll. It may not make a difference it may not even be worth posting in...

However It's to ask the question about what the PEOPLE of EVE would like to see.
NOT what the PEOPLE of EVE will see...

I didn't just mention PC's only. I also mentioned 360s which is a console gaming system as well.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-31 10:29:11 UTC
Despite the fact that it means I'll never play it, I'm glad dust514 is on a console, for one good reason:

It makes it a lot harder to hack.

A free to play FPS that had in-eve implications would have 15 aimbots released before breakfast, and you all know it.

On a console, thats far less likely.

As for xbox vs Ps3, as I understand it, the decision between the two was made on the basis that microsoft were being pricks about the idea of connecting XBL to an external system, so CCP said "**** it, if you're going to be that way, ps3 it is".

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#11 - 2011-10-31 10:33:05 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Despite the fact that it means I'll never play it, I'm glad dust514 is on a console, for one good reason:

It makes it a lot harder to hack.

A free to play FPS that had in-eve implications would have 15 aimbots released before breakfast, and you all know it.

On a console, thats far less likely.

As for xbox vs Ps3, as I understand it, the decision between the two was made on the basis that microsoft were being pricks about the idea of connecting XBL to an external system, so CCP said "**** it, if you're going to be that way, ps3 it is".


This makes sense and was by far the most productive post in this thread.

You would like to see it on 360 as well as ps3 though, If i read that correctly.

You also have coped with the fact that they most likely wont do anything but a PS3 Release.

The PC choice is more or less of a given there, which is why most fps games are coming out with ways to make the game more strategic than just point and shoot.

Aimbots are really only good for spotting the enemy player. However if i understand dust correctly it's going to be quite a few players plus bots running around. I could be very wrong though.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-31 10:36:50 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:

You would like to see it on 360 as well as ps3 though, If i read that correctly.

You also have coped with the fact that they most likely wont do anything but a PS3 Release.

I don't own any modern game consoles. I can't stand the controller as an input system. *pats trusty R.A.T7*

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#13 - 2011-10-31 10:38:42 UTC
Ahh. Well I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a method of playing those console games with a Mouse and key board. ^_^
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-31 10:56:11 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Ahh. Well I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a method of playing those console games with a Mouse and key board. ^_^


Show me a console that can let me customize the horizontal scroll wheel and sniper buttons on my mouse, and I'll show you an overly expensive PC that's been artificially limited in its capabilities by its operating system.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-31 11:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
VKhaun Vex wrote:
We all know everyone would like to play the game linked with theirs on PC...


Mirak Nijoba wrote:
You fail to understand...

However It's to ask the question about what the PEOPLE of EVE would like to see.
NOT what the PEOPLE of EVE will see...


I don't think I'm the one failing to understand.
There is no opinion involved.

You think someone is going to come arbitrarily post that they want to play it, but DONT want it on their system of choice? You think someone who doesn't want to play is going to care either way? There is no opinion between two outcomes. It's just people that are butthurt because it's not on their system. That's not an opinion, that's just being butthurt.

Think about it. You just made a POLL THREAD with NO OPTIONS to answer with. If you went back and edited, step one would be to answer 'YES' and then you'd be stuck. There would be no other answer for anyone in the group you've targeted to pick, because it wasn't a decision made from the perspective of the players. NO OPINION involved. Just disappointed fans.






Sir Substance wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Ahh. Well I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a method of playing those console games with a Mouse and key board. ^_^


Show me a console that can let me customize the horizontal scroll wheel and sniper buttons on my mouse, and I'll show you an overly expensive PC that's been artificially limited in its capabilities by its operating system.



You avoided his point by changing the scope of your own argument.
Getting a nice mouse on a console is a google away.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-31 11:54:17 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Ahh. Well I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a method of playing those console games with a Mouse and key board. ^_^


Show me a console that can let me customize the horizontal scroll wheel and sniper buttons on my mouse, and I'll show you an overly expensive PC that's been artificially limited in its capabilities by its operating system.



You avoided his point by changing the scope of your own argument. Getting a nice mouse on a console is a google away.


The scope hasn't changed at all. The question is "is it possible to get good input peripherals on a console". Exploring the nature of connectivity to the console is an integral part of that. You can't say "I can connect a ****** $8 microsoft mouse to my PS3, therefore it is as good as your computer at accepting input". The software that runs the PS3 is not designed to run a good quality mouse. Yes, it'll take the sensor input, but a good mousing experience consists of a lot more then that.

The drivers and software that make my mouse so nice by supporting its many specialized controls cannot be loaded onto a current console without firmware hacking it, and probably not even then unless you want to write your own drivers. If I have to firmware hack it, I'd justifiably rather use a PC. If consoles ever develop to the point where I can make my mouse work without needing to firmware hack it, then that console is really a PC that doesn't do everything a PC can.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Mitauchi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-31 15:03:05 UTC
The biggest issue with this entire discussion is the fact that CCP has signed a deal with Sony. Microsoft could not come to an agreement with CCP to even consider releasing DUST on their platform. (Those of us who have read anything already know this to be fact) Read it for yourself their reasoning if you haven't yet here.

If your point is to just make a poll about Eve Player's opinions then perhaps it would be better to phrase it differently such as:

How many people wish Microsoft would change it's policies to allow DUST 514 to be played on their console?


just a suggestion :)
stoicfaux
#18 - 2011-10-31 15:43:06 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:

So the Questions I've got to ask CCP is...

Have you Decided PS3 Only? --- [ Yes/No ]
Have you Considered PC/Mac/Xbox? --- [ Yes/No ]
Would it be Practical to Build Dust for PC; or Mac; or XBOX? --- [ Yes/No | Yes/No | Yes/No ]
Have you Taken a Poll of Your Players and Seen where they want to see Dust? --- [ Yes/No ]


CCP has said, Yes, No, No, and No.


Quote:
Now my Question / Poll for You Guys is..

Which Platforms Should Dust Be Available on?
[D514-P] <--- Insert That into your Poll for it to be easier to track down and collect the Poll Data.


PS3, duh.

Microsoft won't let Dust talk to the internet so XBox is out on technical reasons. PC isn't an option because CCP doesn't have the resources to port Dust to the PC. The Wii is out because it's the Wii.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Mitauchi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-31 15:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitauchi
Sir Substance wrote:
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Ahh. Well I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a method of playing those console games with a Mouse and key board. ^_^


Show me a console that can let me customize the horizontal scroll wheel and sniper buttons on my mouse, and I'll show you an overly expensive PC that's been artificially limited in its capabilities by its operating system.



You avoided his point by changing the scope of your own argument. Getting a nice mouse on a console is a google away.


The scope hasn't changed at all. The question is "is it possible to get good input peripherals on a console". Exploring the nature of connectivity to the console is an integral part of that. You can't say "I can connect a ****** $8 microsoft mouse to my PS3, therefore it is as good as your computer at accepting input". The software that runs the PS3 is not designed to run a good quality mouse. Yes, it'll take the sensor input, but a good mousing experience consists of a lot more then that.

The drivers and software that make my mouse so nice by supporting its many specialized controls cannot be loaded onto a current console without firmware hacking it, and probably not even then unless you want to write your own drivers. If I have to firmware hack it, I'd justifiably rather use a PC. If consoles ever develop to the point where I can make my mouse work without needing to firmware hack it, then that console is really a PC that doesn't do everything a PC can.


I think you have made a valid point of why CCP does not want to release Dust 514 on PC. PC owners would dominate console players. As a player on all three platforms (Xbox, PS3 & PC) I know that there are real advantages for CCP by putting DUST 514 on console.

1. Consoles are more of an equalizer. All gamers uses the same equipment means that the "custom controls" - macros are less of an issue than on PCs. Yes there are specialized controllers out there by not nearly as accessible or used as the peripherals and programs used by PC players. Games will be based more on skill of the player rather than who has the best equipment, hack or macro.

2. Consoles make the Eve Universe available to a wider audience. CCP has repeated stated they are trying to get into new markets and player bases. DUST is being designed specifically for the console. Let be honest most people crying about this fact just want the game to be designed to accommodate their preferred play style. Unfortunately that is not the way things are going to go. Besides if someone wanted to "get into" Dust 514 who does not have equipment, a playstation can be found fewer than 250 bucks. If the same person wanted to get into Eve, well there is no 300 dollar machine I know of that will run this game anymore.

3. Already drawing new players to Eve. If you look at the PS3 community forum buzz many players that would have never looked at Eve or known what it was are very excited about the potential of DUST 514 and some of them are already opening Eve accounts now to get involved in both modes of play.

I am sure there are many who will say well I should be able to get this game on PC as well. Too bad. I wish I had many games on Xbox that were on PS3 or vice versa very rarely this cross over happens and typically when an exclusive title does make that switch then it is a sign that the game is dying anyways. Probably most importantly most true gamers have both a PC and a console. Given that majority may own an Xbox rather than a PS3; however that is an individual issue and really nothing CCP can do about it given Microsoft's agreement terms.
Mitauchi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-31 15:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitauchi
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
Despite the fact that it means I'll never play it, I'm glad dust514 is on a console, for one good reason:

It makes it a lot harder to hack.

A free to play FPS that had in-eve implications would have 15 aimbots released before breakfast, and you all know it.

On a console, thats far less likely.

As for xbox vs Ps3, as I understand it, the decision between the two was made on the basis that microsoft were being pricks about the idea of connecting XBL to an external system, so CCP said "**** it, if you're going to be that way, ps3 it is".


This makes sense and was by far the most productive post in this thread.

You would like to see it on 360 as well as ps3 though, If i read that correctly.

You also have coped with the fact that they most likely wont do anything but a PS3 Release.

The PC choice is more or less of a given there, which is why most fps games are coming out with ways to make the game more strategic than just point and shoot.

Aimbots are really only good for spotting the enemy player. However if i understand dust correctly it's going to be quite a few players plus bots running around. I could be very wrong though.



Nope, please read something about the game. No NPCs in DUST 514 at all. But it is good to know that you have no clue how an aimbot works. -1 effective hacker on the field.
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