Intergalactic Summit

Fascinating that you miss the true point of this - which is that we'd prefer the Intaki people not suffer under a never-ending cycle of occupation and abandonment by BOTH governments or the crushing effects of a war that is not of their making and which they cannot ever bring a resolution to.

Put short, we'd like the bombing and the killing to stop Mr Caine. That is our agenda here.

Another gallentean barking? You see hypocrisy too?

I don't care how and what gallenteans invested into our homeworld. This is not from this discussion. I have no desire to learn what petty deeds frogs have committed, because I don't follow their interests. I am fighting for interests of the State and State alone. I don't care if gallenteans have any claims to Intaki or Caldari Prime. Talk times are over.

Now we talk with guns. And we fight for what is ours. Easy like that.

In addition to being an example of pure and total lunacy, this is utterly false several times over. First, the Federal Union does not and has never claimed its members territory as "property" of the Federation. Member States join willingly, and retain their Sovereignty unto themselves. This is the case with every Member generally, and the Intaki people, specifically.

Furthermore, you had taken in. As of now the Intaki System is under Federal Defense Union control in regard to the CEWPA. We sent you fools packing some time ago.

Your State can look for its blood money elsewhere.

The State isn't looking for blood money, Vero. These are the words expressed by a singular pilot.

Remember how not too long ago you were telling me not to judge your entire alliance based on the actions of a few of your pilots?

Certainly an admirable request, though the Intaki people should probably be the ones to speak for themselves.

I do wonder though if we keep declaring planets as illegal targets, what will the poor war mongers fight over?

You forgot one thing, sweetie.
Caldari always return for their money.
ALWAYS.

Andreus, why are you arguing with her. She was created (by her parents, maybe) for the very reason that she lacked charisma. If she a ate a little more, and lost the constant fixation with genocide, she might be more reasonable and coherent. And possibly, as far as psychotically deranged ruthless killer capsuleers go, she might become a bit of a babe!

There is no way any rational person can look at the history of this star system and conclude other than that it is the Intaki homeworld. That historically the Intaki have been part of the Federation. To argue that somehow this system is Caldari territory even when not being controlled through military occupation by Caldari forces is delusional.

More generally, though, as it relates to Caldari Prime, the whole problem with homelands, homeworlds, homesystems, that are claimed by more than one ethnicity is that basically a neutral third party administration is the only real solution. So short of some Concord or other "neutral" body administering the governmental and regulatory functions of the planet and possibly/arguably the system, there will always be the "i'm a freedom fighter/You're a terrorist" clash of opposing forces.

Returning to the subject of the Intaki system, the paradigm of a autonomous collective or anarcho-syndicalist commune within a larger administrative system of the Federation has been the history and the understanding of the masses. Supreme executive power is derivative of a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical interstellar militaristic ceremony. And it cannot come from the repression and violence inherent in such a system.

I could go on, but you appear to have switched off your vid link. I feel repressed, uh I mean depressed. . . .

This is the most sensible thing that has been said in this entire thread. I agree completely.

Kim.

The Intaki system is, was and will always be the property of the Intaki people.
While we are a member of the federation, that does not mean that the federation own our land, simply that we are a member state within a larger union. Much like the Corporate lands within the Caldari state maintain their own sovereignty while also being members of a larger whole.

The Ishukone corporation negotiated the rights to shipping and trade within the Intaki system. The infrastructure that you claim they put in place was already there, they simply move things about for a profit.

You say that you don't care about the ownership of the Intaki system, yet the entire debate between us began with you saying that the Intaki system should permanently change sovereignty to the Caldari state. Which is it? you either do want the system or you don't.

You also say that due to the time ishukone have spent in the system that the Intaki have no claim to their homeworld.
so, when you ask where I see hypocrisy, I can only answer by pointing out the rhetoric you have repeated ad nauseum regarding Caldari Prime.

You are also mistaken about me being Gallentean. Intaki is my home, it's people are my kin. The Caldari have no right to claim the system.

So yes. I can, will and have analyzed your words, they have been found lacking in substance and a link to any form of reality.
You should get that looked at.

As for 'provist boots' sweeping my home away, It is far more likely that the Caldari people will see you and your ilk for the warmongering psychopaths that you truly are and sweep your kind away before that happens.

Diana,

My advice to you is that you should generally avoid speaking of things of which you have no idea. It makes you sound ignorant.

You and calamulav like you have a great deal to learn