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RIP Margaret Thatcher

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-04-08 15:36:28 UTC
I for one will mourn her loss. While I dont agree with everything she did, she certainly left her mark.

And unlike the current crop of MPs, she truly had balls.

In a way I'm glad shes gone though, through her dementia she was a shell of her former self and it must have been a terrible thing for her family.

And baltec you're probably right. I wouldnt put it past them.

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#22 - 2013-04-08 15:38:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Certainly a very controversial figure, but there is no doubt that the entire UK is a different place utterly than before her 'reign'.

And during the 80's the combined conservatism of her and Reagan at the same time seemed ominous to a lot of folks, understandably.

But, she was indeed a very powerful figure and image.


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Oh yea. I loved that video.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-04-08 15:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:


The movie about her was good too. Meryl Streep as the lead.





A film that singularly brought up the dialogue about if we are handing out Oscars to the best actors, or the best imitators......



Oscars have nothing to do with good movies, They are a specific set of awards for a specific set of "Oscar bait" movies (see Kings Speech and so on)


Agreed for the most part, and "The Iron Lady" was certainly one of those. But then they do right sometimes like "LOTR: Return of the King" and "Amadeus".


Most disappointing was Sigourney Weaver being the first ever nominated for Best Actress from an SF film (Aliens), then losing it to Geraldine Page in "Trip to Bountiful" which even has an Oscar-bait title, indeed.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-08 15:43:19 UTC
I'm going to have a Spitting Image marathon tomorrow in her honour I think.

Used to love that show as a kid.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2013-04-08 15:45:30 UTC
Graygor wrote:
I'm going to have a Spitting Image marathon tomorrow in her honour I think.

Used to love that show as a kid.



Wow, I have not even seen that since at least 1987.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#26 - 2013-04-08 16:02:29 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
I'd imagine if they provided a state funeral for her half of the UK would erupt in riots.




yeah it's too controversial as she was a very divisive leader.

Truth.

Yet, she said what she believed, did what she promissed (if at all possible), and demonstrated leadership in a time that badly needed it. She had a personal level of intgerity that has been historically lacking in the 'head of government' ranks. To many people in eastern Europe, especially, she's a hero.

Leadership doesn't always mean that you have a vision that all people agree with, only that you're able to get them to where you intend to go - Whatever may be found in that place.

Love her or loathe her, she's a signpost in history - people will use her to mark time: 'Before' and 'After' Thatcher.

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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-04-08 16:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Satomi
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

And during the 80's the combined conservatism of her and Reagan at the same time seemed ominous to a lot of folks, understandably.

Yes, all the hand-wringing Neville-Chamberlain-wannabes found their leadership to be most ominous.

Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote:
...
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

Too few people understand that sentiment.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-04-08 16:38:53 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

And during the 80's the combined conservatism of her and Reagan at the same time seemed ominous to a lot of folks, understandably.

Yes, all the hand-wringing Neville-Chamberlain-wannabes found their leadership to be most ominous.

Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote:
...
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.



Your point would be clearer if you used a different example than someone who passed in 1940. Even I had to 'look him up'.

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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-08 17:06:55 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

And during the 80's the combined conservatism of her and Reagan at the same time seemed ominous to a lot of folks, understandably.

Yes, all the hand-wringing Neville-Chamberlain-wannabes found their leadership to be most ominous.

Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote:
...
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


Your point would be clearer if you used a different example than someone who passed in 1940. Even I had to 'look him up'.

History, despite what you may have been told, is good for you. It is not baggage, it is context. Neville is one of those guys current academia tends to be ashamed of. He so clearly held the same sentiments they now do, and he so clearly demonstrated why acting on those sentiments fails. But that is a different discussion.

Thatcher and Reagan were most hated by the press, and by leftist elites, because they stood up to a Communist bully when everyone else said "shhhh, you'll make him angry." It's the same ridiculous impulse that makes Dennis Rodman say Kim Jong Un is a great guy. It's the same impulse that makes Jimmy Carter pronounce Venezuela's election process to be the best in the world because they have touchscreen voting. It is absurd theater, and heaven forbid someone like Thatcher or Reagan come along to disturb it with visions of reality.

You may notice that I am frustrated, but it is not at you Krixtal.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-04-08 17:09:11 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:


Thatcher and Reagan were most hated by the press, and by leftist elites, because they stood up to a Communist bully when everyone else said "shhhh, you'll make him angry."

You may notice that I am frustrated, but it is not at you Krixtal.



Thanks.

But the use of 'leftist elites' generally anymore means 'intellectuals'.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-04-08 17:14:31 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


But the use of 'leftist elites' generally anymore means 'intellectuals'.


Huh. And here I thought it meant hippie.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-04-08 17:24:28 UTC
Drone Rogue wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


But the use of 'leftist elites' generally anymore means 'intellectuals'.


Huh. And here I thought it meant hippie.



Hippies were not considered 'elite'. I know this. I was there............

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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-04-08 17:26:30 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:


Thatcher and Reagan were most hated by the press, and by leftist elites, because they stood up to a Communist bully when everyone else said "shhhh, you'll make him angry."

You may notice that I am frustrated, but it is not at you Krixtal.



Thanks.

But the use of 'leftist elites' generally anymore means 'intellectuals'.

When I say it I usually intend it to mean people who carve out their own little fiefdoms in the U.N. and send their kids to private schools when their countryman live in poverty. The people who built the EU as a non-democratic government, the people who line their own pockets from manipulation of the State, whose primary leaning is leftist. That includes some academics, certainly. But I don't think it includes all "intellectuals".

I'm not against education if by education you mean reason, study and deliberation. If education is to now mean feeling good, building self-esteem, and sloughing off the constraining skin of history, then yes, I believe that to be problematic.

At any rate, RIP Margaret Thatcher.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#34 - 2013-04-08 17:50:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:


Thatcher and Reagan were most hated by the press, and by leftist elites, because they stood up to a Communist bully when everyone else said "shhhh, you'll make him angry."

You may notice that I am frustrated, but it is not at you Krixtal.



Thanks.

But the use of 'leftist elites' generally anymore means 'intellectuals'.

"Intellectual" has been badly mis-used. Thatcher herself was an intellectual. Just not a left-leaning one.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2013-04-08 17:52:34 UTC
The Streep sums it all up.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#36 - 2013-04-08 17:59:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The Streep sums it all up.

Quite well indeed.

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#37 - 2013-04-08 18:01:10 UTC
Graygor wrote:
I for one will mourn her loss. While I dont agree with everything she did, she certainly left her mark.

And unlike the current crop of MPs, she truly had balls.

In a way I'm glad shes gone though, through her dementia she was a shell of her former self and it must have been a terrible thing for her family.

And baltec you're probably right. I wouldnt put it past them.


Oh, yes. Balls.
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Thank god this argies gave me a scape goat for my failure in leadership!

I for one couldn't be more happy about it. One less air sucking parasite.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2013-04-08 18:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Graygor wrote:
I for one will mourn her loss. While I dont agree with everything she did, she certainly left her mark.

And unlike the current crop of MPs, she truly had balls.

In a way I'm glad shes gone though, through her dementia she was a shell of her former self and it must have been a terrible thing for her family.

And baltec you're probably right. I wouldnt put it past them.



Thank god this argies gave me a scape goat for my failure in leadership!




It sure would help if we knew wtf 'argies' are.

Also, you are so out of here soon.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-04-08 18:06:58 UTC
Well that just depends on what your definition of hippie is :P
Al Gore is arguably the king of hippies.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#40 - 2013-04-08 18:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
'Argies' are Argentinians.

Drone Rogue wrote:
Well that just depends on what your definition of hippie is :P
Al Gore is arguably the king of hippies.

Oh, hell no. Not even remotely.
Abby Hoffman, or Andy Warhol, or Timothy Leary.

Al Gore doesn't come within the same galaxy as those... Er, ... Luminaries.

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