EVE New Citizens Q&A

Right, first off, this is a friends character I'm using to post up with (I'm not going to comment with the character I want to start something with so you guys can all put spy alts in my corp now am I. *jokes*)

Secondly, a little bit of background info. I've played EVE online for all of about a month, after finding out about it from a friend. Before I signed up I read a lot about the game (all the different things do do. Mining, Exploration, PvP etc etc so on and so forth) and knew exactly what I wanted out of the game. After going onto the trial I created my character and set out broadening my horizons like a good pilot by following the starting help missions and then flew out to Uitra to all the rookie missions. Even after whetting my appetite with the rookie missions I still new exactly what I wanted out of EVE.

Now the history lesson is over. Lets get to business.

What do I want out of EVE? I want to be an Empire builder. I want to be the leader of a large Alliance that I have built upwards from the ground. An alliance that holds SOV space that they took for themselves (I dont want to be a renter).

I know this will take a long time to accomplish and I know that it will be an arduous journey. But where to start?

- Recruitment?
- Building up funds?
- Looking for FC's?
- Get standings with factions for POS's?
- Gaining assests so I can say "Here, we will supply this skill book for you"?

There are so many options to choose from and while I think I know in what direction to go in, I'm looking for feedback on any ideas the community may have.

What do I want from this Alliance that I am going to try an build? I want it to be an alliance that allows people to work up from the bottom. Aka you start as a grunt and what you do affects how far you go up the chain of commant (I am a firm believer in you work and reap the benefits). I want the people in the alliance to have a say so in what goes on, be it when we run fleet operation to who we go to war with. (I like the idea of the voting system and shareholders, that was really a very good adition). I like the idea of having a corp that is self sufficient, but what does one do? Do we have combat pilots mixed in with the industrialists or do I set it up so that it's like the following:

- *Alliance name* Administration - This is the head corp of the alliance with only the most powerful members of the corporation. The leaders of each of the corporations in the alliance will relate directly with this corporations running. It will also be the corporation which funds the alliance.

- *Alliance Name* Navy/Security - This corporation is the corporation I will be using to kickstart off the whole affair. I will leave the corporation to my most trusted pilot when I leave to go to the Administration corporation. It will have all the combat pilots both PvP and PvE.

- Industrial and Logistics corporation - This will have all the pilots from mining to manufacturing through to logistics (the term logistics being used meaning transporting goods etc not the armour remote rep and shield transfer logi pilots).

- Other corporations - Self explanetory. Other corporations which wish to join our cause.

In the long run I want the Alliance to be a SOV holding Alliance. But I dont want to have to rent from a larger alliance and basically be their lacky and pay extortionate amounts to keep our SOV only to be then kicked out saying "we dont want you there anymore but we will keep your cash cheers" (I dont know if this actually happens, pure speculation).
(Is it actually a viable option anymore to own space in Nullsec without being someones lacky? I know the large alliances have a hell of a lot of space and dont like giving it up, is there any free space left?)

What I don't want for the Alliance. The big one is being a lacky to someone (but I've covered that so wont go into detail on that topic). Secondly. I dont want it to be full of alts just to make up the numbers. Sure I get the fact that people have an alt, but when people say: "Oh I would like to join, and can I bring my 20 man strong, multiboxing mining fleet with me too?". "No, no you cannot now stop being a bell***". I also dont want people who grief people just because they're bored (I dont mind a little trash talk in local or whatever, to be honest that adds more fun sometimes). But when you pick on a player repeatedly just because you don't like the way they play the game. Pointless. And the last thing I don't want is drama. It's a game people. People who argue and pick on someone just because they dont like their ship fitting or they dont agree with their religion.

I know not all of the requirements will be met or whatever, but I'm just looking for input on where to start I guess. I think I have given enough information on what I want and what I dont want (obviously I havent listed everything for wants and not wants (great use of the English language there), I'd be here all day) for constructive replies (or even constructive critisicm (if it helps in the long run I do criticism well)).

I will obviously only be starting off with a corporation and work up from there. But appart from that, I have no idea where to start.

Thanks for reading, I know it has been a long one, so for that I apologise. I just wanted to make sure you knew exactly where my mind was at. Thanks in advance for all the input in regards to alliance building and what skills to train/augmentations to have etc.

Fly safe.

I think everything what NightCrawler 85 said is true. As far as I have seen he/she is a quite experienced corp leader.

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But despite of his wise words, I would be actually interested to join up with you.
I'm an industrialists, I could probably finance, organise and plan the industrial/organisational side of your early corp carrier.
Of course if you are such a good recruiter and PvP-er as the creator of Brave Newbies Inc. you might need more help. Much-much more help.

You must realise that there are dozens of corps with the exact same plan as yours.
You also must realise that this might take a couple of years to accomplish. Probably 2-3, I guess.

If you really want to have an independent 0 sec SOV alliance you will need a ton of loyal PVP-ers, with carriers, super carriers, maybe even titans. (Or you must know something about PvP, 'cause I don't ).
You need a lot of isk to replace those ships, and you need a lot of industrial players who are building you those ships (hauling, manufacturing, providing fuel for your POS) etc. in your region, on your pos.

You need a lot of PvP Grunts, who sit at the gate, use their D Scan, watch local for any intruders, and tell you everything on secure channels.
You need excellent diplomats to keep and make new friends, who will negotiate with the neighbouring alliances.
(Your grunts are probably going to f*** up and rat/mine where they shouldn't have, you need to sort out these incidents with care).
You need good FCs. (For obvious reasons)
You need recruiters. (Even if the new recruits don't do anything but do missions in high sec, you still can tax them)
You need spies. (Knowing when, where and whom to fight is a big advantage).
You need counter intelligence. (Providing false intelligence to your enemy is a huge advantage)
You need reconnaissance. (Cloaked pilots who roam your-, neutral and enemy space).
You need social players who will tell the masses that you aren't a selfish dictatorial d***head, but a wise leader who will give more "Good Fights" (Trademark) and deliver the "Fun" (copyright) and you will do so "Soon" (it is just over the next hill).
You need community leaders who will tell the people, that the guy who you kicked of the corp was an a**hole and you the wise leader made the right decision (of kicking him) for the "good of "everyone". And if the others happened to be friends with him, they should "red" him and steal/destroy his assets.
You need a few "directors" or middle management dinos (copyright of Test Alliance), who are coordinating things even if you are asleep (those russians don't play at the same time as the europians/americans do, you might have to organise combat squads to protect your empire while you are asleep).
Who are coordinating your new recruits in High sec, your mining division in 0 sec, your intelligence division, your counter intelligence division, your hauling pilots, your manufacturer, your mission runners, your ratters, your PI fuel supply.
Oh and you might need some IRL programmers/coders, who can write you fancy tools, which can identify for you probable spies, a tool which can mass eve mail your corp/alliance mates, a tool which calculates the income of your alliance mates (so you can tax more), a tool which analyses data from the api (which system had a lot of traffic, which system

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Is this all doable?
While I was looking for a corp to join I've found a couple of these corps. It is absolutely doable. But it takes quite a lot of time.

And after just 1 sentence...anybody in EVE can report you for breaching the EULA. Account sharing (so using your friends account) is prohibited.

Good luck, for as how long that account is still active.

And if you want to build up an alliance, take SOV by force and keep it.

Expect 3+ years of playing on the alliance building alone...why?

1.) First you need a corp and alliance.
2.) Both need to grow...which means recruiting...but WHY should people join you instead of someone else who is already settled.
3.) You need PvP players and shitloads of them
4.) You need even more PvP players.
5.) Democratic alliance don't get great...they don't get big...they don't rule over SOV as an independent entity...why...because they will be having their hands full on internal structure. FCs who take their personal pride and wardec someone. Industry players who complain about it. Why do you think that all big alliances are rules by a small team with a clear leader and some people who assist him.
6.) MOAR pvp player...if you want to take SOV anywhere by force, you are always playing the huge underdog. Currently SOV null is mainly taken by a couple of coalitions. Trying to attack one will get you the coalition on you ass...

It is very unlikely that this is really a friends account. It is much more likely that this is his first account. You can check the previous forum posts to come to this conclusion.

He obviously wanted to hide his second account (maybe char?) which is training his combat skills in another corp.

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I have one last final warning: You should also think about the social "problem" of EVE.

There are quite a few players who are mentally (how shall I put it) not quite norm?

Drama is something you will have to face every day, stealing, awoxing, is something you will have to face every month.

And of course there are people whom you would never ever want to meet in real life, but you will stumble into them in here. Eve is a dark and scary place.

Okay firstly, I did not realise I wasn't allowed to post up on behalf of a friend. He emailed me with what to say etc and I'm in contact with him.
HE DOES NOT KNOW MY USERNAME OR PASSWORD THEREFORE I AM NOT ACCOUNT SHARING

Now we have got that out of the way.


Post constructively please guys...

The guy is just starting out and is asking for help, it was me who suggested I posted this up on behalf of him so that he didn't get the likes of large alliances creating alts tp go into his corp.

And for the record, this is indeed an alt... This is the alt of Arcturus Sagan.

EDIT: So he worded it wrong and I just copied and pasted it as it was written. No need to go bashing a guys skull in over it...

That was my fault. I did not think to tell him to do it via an alt on his account and as he is very new I guess it did not occur to him to do that.



I think he knows this, but its good to have it written down in black and white none the less.

So i'll say thanks to you on behalf of him now as he has gone to work.

I will also get him to create an alt in the second slot of his account and post the thread up on the forum... Any pointers (good or bad) would be good for this guy...

In my opinion there are a few things you need before you can even begin to make this kind of project work.

1) experience - for you to lead anyone effectively you need to know EVE
2) gametime - While new players might, older players are very unlikely to follow someone who is new to the game simply because they will know better than you on a lot of things.
3) leadership - In EVE as with most MMOs leading is a difficult thing to really do because nobody is obliged to follow you. The most common way to build this trust is by being an FC. a skill which in itself requires a lot of time to be proficient in.
4) clear direction - players will follow you to the ends of the earth, if they believe in where you are taking them. unifying people to a single goal in eve is much akin to herding cats.

The key to all of this is to be patient, and start small. you'll need to accept that an alliance of any form is well out of your grasp for the foreseeable future. First you need a corp, build that to have a strong and active core. Remember that if you manage to form an alliance your corp will need to be the core of this, bringing in larger more powerful corps will undermine you and cause friction unless you are well respected and already proven as a leader.

ultimately it isn't an impossible task, but it is a huge undertaking. just to manage the expectations of a corp of players is taxing. so expect late nights and little rewards for you efforts. Eventually it may all pay off.. but don't count on it.

This, so very very much this. Been there, done that .... (not alone thankfully).
Running an alliance is a second day job. Especially in sov null. Are you prepared to turn your game into that?

If this truly is your vision of EVE - go for it. But start by playing the game. Learn the mechanics, make isk - a lot of isk. And more isk. You will need it. Learn diplomacy - it helps if you do it for a living.
Don't burn all your bridges, if you have your eyes on a specific area of null already (which I doubt) learn who lives there and who you want to be friends with.
Learn the mechanics of sov null.
Make ISK - you will need it.

When you've played the game for a while, start your own corp. Give your corp a reputation of excellence (it will help you in the future). And while doing that train all your RL skills for the BIG DAY when your alliance is born.

Having mastered the game mechanics in general and sov mechanics specifically - know that running a corp or alliance is more about RL people skills than game skills. But you still need to make ISK. Did I mentioin you need a lot of it? And friends. And know that your friends in alliance or coalition might turn out to be not those wonderful buddies you thought originally.

I've just read all these new posts and emailed my mate a copy. Thanks on his behalf for all the current input and I will post up what he replies back asap.