EVE General Discussion

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In a "democracy" everyone is right. And everyone has a butthole.

Take your pick!

You had better watch it. The Carebears have both the Goons and Test on the run! Lowsec pirates are the next to feel the destructive power of the Carebear!

You have failed to read properly again.

Uninformed. Because EVE is very different from everything else they've tried and because humans are social creates and creatures of habit. And no, no-one comes into the game with the knowledge and information we're talking about here.

By the way, you laugh at EvilweaselSA's quote, but did you actually consider the scenario?

New player sees the commercials, hears the hype, and plunks down the cash for a brand spanking new EVE account.
“I want to be a pirate, just like in the movies!”, he exclaims.

…to which the seasoned EVE player might answer “Ooook… which kind? Do you want to rob people in highsec (and earn money)? Do you want to yarr it up in lowsec (and RP)? Do you want to terrorise poor nullbears (and faceslap them with your epeen)? Or do you want to trade fire with the law and get paid by the pirate factions (and just grind 50 bear-asses)?” Because the seasoned EVE player knows better than the new player what “wanting to be a pirate” means in EVE terms, and depending on what sources of inspiration the newbie mentions for his wish, the seasoned EVE player will also already know which of these is the one he's actually after.

This as opposed to the carebear corp, which will, at best, mention the last option because they only really know PvE and they know that you can do it for the pirates they normally shoot. At worst, they will pelt the poor guy with sticks and stones and accusations of being a socio-psycho-whatever-path since their only other experience with this “pirate” thing is the horrific doomy gloomy rumours of poor innocent people being shot by nasty evil men.

That's because, as you have often demonstrated, you're not very good at paying attention to what's happening around you. vOv

i'm more of a filet mignon kind of girl. but i take your meaning...and i agree. wholeheartedly. certainly very enjoyable. ...to those that are into it.

and it's a good thing that they do enjoy it so enthusiastically. because if they did not the other parts of this game simply would not be worth doing. nothing blowing up means no reason to build ships and modules and weapons and bullets. no reason to build things means no reason to mine ores, interact with planets, or dig goo out of moons.

that would be dreadful.

it's a big circle and we all need each other.

i love you guys. let's group hug.

This argument is ridiculous.

The corp recruitment sites are packed full of both industrial and pvp corps looking for newbs. EveUni teaches both industiral and PvP. RVB is very newb friendly and pure PvP.

These newbs are going to join a corp that fits the play style they are predisposed to.

Of course, if they are indy minded, they join an indy corp, then some greifer corp will war dec the industrial corp, no one will log in for a couple weeks, and the newb will drop the game because it is stupid.


IF, the industrial corps are getting a lot of people that would rather PvP, then you PvPers need to get better at recruiting.

Don't blame the carebears for being better recruiters.


Then again, I'm not convinced the retention rate is nearly as bad as CCP insinuates. They have a HUGE number of accounts that go inactive after the 21-day trial + 1 free paid month... Hmmm.... exactly the number of free days I can get by giving myself a buddy invite, then activating that account with a PLEX. 30 days on my main and 51 on the alt.

90% of new accounts are 51-day, free, throw away accounts, that the creater NEVER intended to keep beyond the 51 free days.

A new player, most likely. What excuse does a three month old player have for being uniformed?

Not that unique. If it was folks will still be learning the game, as it is that unique.

Not make a T1 fleet and try to blob through, then claim it's "easy".

To get to that level of ease, a game has to have common elements found in other games...even "Hello, Kitty".

I didn't know Hello Kitty had non-voting Null sec supporters.

Things you learn huh

Lots of points there, but what's the solution?

The people who claim to hate and who claim to be risk-loving would scream "this is a sandbox!!!!1!!eleven!!!!".

OK then.

If you see a problem with what's going on, seek to change it: start a noob recruitment program.

Back a few years ago, I was in NPC corp putting lasers on Cyclones and wondering why I was getting my lunch eaten, and there were a couple of noobs in chat making ragequit noises because they got ganked in the Parts system.

I gave them some ISK to refit, fleeted up with them, and we attacked the guys who ganked them. We didn't win, nor did we expect to (Nothing like that "but he was at 20 percent of armor 2 seconds ago WTF?" moment) but a good time was had by all. One of them became a goon (some would say that's not a good outcome, but we must admit that the goons do have a very good program and acceptance for noobs, which says much against the mentalities of many other corps and their elitist recruiting tendencies) . The other ended up communicating with one of the "enemy" guys who gave him some good advice for fitting for PVP and some ISK to try out some fits.

The end result was positive and a good time was had by all (and a Brutix of mine was put out of its misery - I like to think the killmail ganked the sensibilities of my opponents).

My point ultimately is this: the game is set up in a manner that if you don't like something, you have the power to change it. You can make your whole game around it, or just do it when the need arises. If you think noobs are being driven off by false or improper paradigms, seek to change it yourself. With new players it does not take much.