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Why your CSM8 vote doesn't matter...

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#201 - 2013-04-08 03:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Frying Doom wrote:

I have more but I guess I can stop here. Your stupid is showing sir. I suggest that you zip up.
None of those are logical reasons why people would not vote but I did miss one
3) The person is mentally disabled or has suffered brain damage.


People are not machines. The study of how people behave in large groups and demographics is not based upon logical thinking. People act on whim, reward, motivation and ease of access. You clearly do not have a firm grasp of how this works by suggesting that the vast majority is some how mentally damaged because they are not doing what you want them to do.




Take me for example. If I thought any of those candidates could actually bring about a meaningful and positive change I would vote. I however do not. I am not going to participate in a flawed system and be goated into voting for the most polished of 8 turds. That is my objective view on the subject. That view is governing my actions. I am not simply "not voting" because of some handicap or laziness. I am choosing not to vote because none of the options given are in line with my personal set of principles. Nor do the candidates uphold my agenda.

I am also aware of how stacked the deck is in certain people's favor. Nothing is going to change that under the current voting system.


That sir, is why I don't vote.

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Frying Doom
#202 - 2013-04-08 03:24:08 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I have more but I guess I can stop here. Your stupid is showing sir. I suggest that you zip up.
None of those are logical reasons why people would not vote but I did miss one
3) The person is mentally disabled or has suffered brain damage.


People are not machines. The study of how people behave in large groups and demographics is not based upon logical thinking. People act on whim, reward, motivation and ease of access. You clearly do not have a firm grasp of how this works by suggesting that the vast majority is some how mentally damaged because they are not doing what you want them to do.




Take me for example. If I thought any of those candidates could actually bring about a meaningful and positive change I would vote. I however do not. I am not going to participate in a flawed system and be goated into voting for the most polished of 8 turds. That is my objective view on the subject. That view is governing my actions. I am not simply not voting because of some handicap or laziness. I am choosing not to vote because none of the options given are in line with my personal set of principles. Nor do the candidates uphold my agenda.

I am also aware of how staked the deck is in certain people's favor. Nothing is going to change that under the current voting system.


That sir, is why I don't vote.

I wasn't talking about psychological reasons

As I can table yours easily, they are excuses. There will always be excuses to doing anything at all.

So it is easy, you are making excuses for non-voters because they love Null CSMs so much.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#203 - 2013-04-08 03:29:28 UTC
Now your stupid really is showing Big smile


Thx. You demeaned your own intelligence on a public forum, better then anything I could have said on my own.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#204 - 2013-04-08 03:33:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I am also aware of how stacked the deck is in certain people's favor. Nothing is going to change that under the current voting system.


That sir, is why I don't vote.


But you sir are perpetuating the don't vote because it don't matter meme & making it a self fullfilling prophsy
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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2013-04-08 03:40:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I seem to have made you angry. I am pleased. And here is me drawing it in crayon for you, "there are more alt accounts now then there was years ago" and "it is do to a steadily growing trend". Guess what, these two ideas fit together quit nicely.


That makes about as much sense as someone trying to make a point in crayon.

Hint: to define that there is a growth trend, nevermind that it's steady, you need numbers, at the bare minimum a start and end, preferably with at least a FEW datapoints somewhere in the middle (you know, to show that silly "trend" part)

That's what Malcanis was asking for. You'd have recognized this if your IQ was higher than your shoe size.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#206 - 2013-04-08 03:56:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Now your stupid really is showing Big smile


Thx. You demeaned your own intelligence on a public forum, better then anything I could have said on my own.

No I believe that you have just proved that your whole argument is based on emotive reasoning and subsequently your desire not to vote is allowing you to believe that excuses are valid reasons.

Thanks for playing.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2013-04-08 04:23:25 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

But you sir are perpetuating the don't vote because it don't matter meme & making it a self fullfilling prophsy


As there's no purpose to vote.

CSMs are toothless (representation in name only).

They are bound by a NDA (if they break, they'd be too poor to game again).

Have no government to run, and held accountable to run it (no impeachment clause in this "democratic" election, too).

There's more power for a gamer putting their vote in a poll about "Men - Boxers or briefs?" than this process.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#208 - 2013-04-08 06:34:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is.


I've always loved this false argument. If don't vote, you didn't participate so you have no right to criticise. If you do vote, you already had your say, so you have no right to criticise.

Basically, you're pretending to have instituted a democratic tool for policy determination, but really you're just telling the plebes to shut up.

Oh, this applies to Eve too.
Frying Doom
#209 - 2013-04-08 06:38:13 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is.


I've always loved this false argument. If don't vote, you didn't participate so you have no right to criticise. If you do vote, you already had your say, so you have no right to criticise.

Basically, you're pretending to have instituted a democratic tool for policy determination, but really you're just telling the plebes to shut up.

Oh, this applies to Eve too.

No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council, as in an STV election the number of votes required to get elected is related to the number of votes cast.

So by not voting you are making it easier for Null sec to have control of the CSM, in this case failure to vote is the same as if you vote for Null sec.

Well I am glad you like a Null CSM so much, what do you like the most, their attempts to have most of CCPs resources used to fix null sec?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2013-04-08 06:43:39 UTC
lol so many mad people in dis here thread
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#211 - 2013-04-08 06:50:48 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council


These are nullsec candidates. What?

Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.

Not one.

So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Frying Doom
#212 - 2013-04-08 06:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council


These are nullsec candidates. What?

Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.

Not one.

So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.

Because people from Hi-sec dont vote enough, so no one runs

As to WH dwellers, I never would have thought they were that vain.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#213 - 2013-04-08 07:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council


These are nullsec candidates. What?

Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.

Not one.

So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.


I am deeply concerned about hi-sec.

Psychotic Monk is wholly concerned about hi-sec - he's a hisec player

Mike Azariah is strongly focused on hi-sec - he's a hi-sec player

Once again you are using cheap cynicism and flat generalisations to paper over your lack of knowledge and scanty research. You could vote for the 3 of us and help to put 3 people who want to see hi-sec greatly improved onto the CSM.

Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner

I know which my money would be on if I could find anyone so foolish as to take that bet.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2013-04-08 07:08:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council


These are nullsec candidates. What?

Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.

Not one.

So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.


Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players.
Frying Doom
#215 - 2013-04-08 07:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
baltec1 wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council


These are nullsec candidates. What?

Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.

Not one.

So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.


Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players.

I would also like to point out that if you don't like a political system change it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2013-04-08 07:56:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players.


How? They're too busy trying to stuff their crotch with socks. You know, priorities, first?

Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#217 - 2013-04-08 08:37:08 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players.


How? They're too busy trying to stuff their crotch with socks. You know, priorities, first?

Lol


Malcanis wrote:


Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2013-04-08 08:50:02 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner


Not like budding CSMs have a busy work load, right? Pirate

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#219 - 2013-04-08 09:06:25 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
The industrialist who industrial platform is even lower than the WH candidates spoke.


Depends what you are looking for from an industrialist.


It's filling all the issues an industrialist would be concerned about in the questionaire (e.g., more ME/PE slots for one), and seeing your platform near the end of the list.

I mean even Greene Lee who isn't running on any industry platform came in higher than you. One WH candidate got 71%.

If you really were about industrial concerns a WH candidate shouldn't beat you on your own platform.



I don't want more ME/PE slots in Empire. I don't see a need for them, as it's not hard to get slots of your own, that you can fill at will. And you should know, Industry doesn't mean 'Industry in High-sec'. It /should/ mean 'Industry in any security sector (plus wormholes)'.

I don't fill /your/ vision of industry.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Frying Doom
#220 - 2013-04-08 09:08:34 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
The industrialist who industrial platform is even lower than the WH candidates spoke.


Depends what you are looking for from an industrialist.


It's filling all the issues an industrialist would be concerned about in the questionaire (e.g., more ME/PE slots for one), and seeing your platform near the end of the list.

I mean even Greene Lee who isn't running on any industry platform came in higher than you. One WH candidate got 71%.

If you really were about industrial concerns a WH candidate shouldn't beat you on your own platform.



I don't want more ME/PE slots in Empire. I don't see a need for them, as it's not hard to get slots of your own, that you can fill at will. And you should know, Industry doesn't mean 'Industry in High-sec'. It /should/ mean 'Industry in any security sector (plus wormholes)'.

I don't fill /your/ vision of industry.

Crap now you have done it.

Everyone get your whine jackets on Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!