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Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#1 - 2013-04-07 01:06:05 UTC
So my old desktop stopped being useful for eve a long time ago, it was built in 2004 and wasn't updated since then. I've had a couple laptops that I've been playing on since then, but they're pretty under powered themselves, and I've been playing with low settings.

I know how to put a PC together, but I haven't kept up on what models are good/best so I'm looking for a little input. This is what I'm looking at right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1241561&cm_sp=DIY_PC_Combos-_-1241561-_-Combo

I think this looks like it would work out pretty good if I slap a hard drive in it. I have all the peripherals I need so I really just need to replace the tower.

Any thoughts?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#2 - 2013-04-07 01:09:55 UTC
Video card with shader model 3, the rest of the system to taste. EVE isn't exactly hardware intensive.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-04-07 01:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
That should run a couple instances of the EVE client no problem. I've used that same MSI motherboard several times, it's got decent options.

AMD APUs benefit a LOT from using faster RAM. If you upgrade the RAM beyond the 4GB that is included and are using a 64bit OS, use DDR3 1866 RAM (instead of 1333) and the video performance will improve significantly. 16GB RAM kits max out those MSI motherboards inexpensively.

if you are not married to using that exact combo, upgrading to the AMD A8-5600K is a big improvement for the small cost difference, has a better integrated GPU, and could run 3-4 clients easily on low settings given enough RAM.

The stock AMD APU coolers are loud. APUs get hot, so consider getting one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186035

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#4 - 2013-04-07 01:29:47 UTC
That'd run Eve without any problems.
Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-07 02:06:28 UTC
a toaster made in the last 5 years

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-07 02:31:09 UTC
But if you are looking for a general use fast gaming PC that thing is going to be a disappointment.
Tobias Atreides
Catalytic Holdings
#7 - 2013-04-07 04:10:40 UTC
You were playing on laptops that were more underpowered then that? were you playing eve on a toaster?
That will play eve, badly, though I'm not sure why you're paying 15$ a month to play this game if you're buying a pc that cant even outperform my phone.
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#8 - 2013-04-07 11:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Stan'din
Go with something with an Intell i5 2500k processor


an Nvidea GPU something along the lines of a GT560ti


and at least 6gb of ram and your covered

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Shokre O'Corwi
The Squid Squad
#9 - 2013-04-07 12:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Shokre O'Corwi
For the love of God don't buy a pre-built PC and assemble one yourself. You'll end up with a much better PC for the same amount of cash.
EDIT: Do some research, read some reviews; you can catch up on hardware fairly quick.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-04-07 13:26:10 UTC
Well in the UK I wouldn't really look at a desktop below £500 as anything resembling futureproof. Cheap out and you'll have to upgrade in a matter of months.


In 'murican that's about $750 ish.

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Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#11 - 2013-04-07 23:33:59 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
But if you are looking for a general use fast gaming PC that thing is going to be a disappointment.


I'm not. Purely something to play Eve on. Any other games I play, I play on consoles. My last desktop was a Athlon XP processor, 1.3ghz, 1gb of ram, and a radeon 9800 pro gfx card. It last me up until a few years ago...

Tobias Atreides wrote:
You were playing on laptops that were more underpowered then that? were you playing eve on a toaster?
That will play eve, badly, though I'm not sure why you're paying 15$ a month to play this game if you're buying a pc that cant even outperform my phone.


Tell me more about this phone.

Doc Fury wrote:
That should run a couple instances of the EVE client no problem. I've used that same MSI motherboard several times, it's got decent options.

AMD APUs benefit a LOT from using faster RAM. If you upgrade the RAM beyond the 4GB that is included and are using a 64bit OS, use DDR3 1866 RAM (instead of 1333) and the video performance will improve significantly. 16GB RAM kits max out those MSI motherboards inexpensively.

if you are not married to using that exact combo, upgrading to the AMD A8-5600K is a big improvement for the small cost difference, has a better integrated GPU, and could run 3-4 clients easily on low settings given enough RAM.

The stock AMD APU coolers are loud. APUs get hot, so consider getting one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186035


Sounds good. I probably will upgrade the RAM, but I don't know if I want to switch to that processor. It's about double the cost and I'm trying to keep on the cheaper side since I'd rather spend my cash on other stuff. All I need to do is run 2 clients, low settings is fine by me.

Heck I even looked into seeing if I could get away with a little upgrading to my old setup but it doesn't seem like it would be worthwhile.
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#12 - 2013-04-07 23:43:09 UTC
Actually I forgot to mention....

The only problem I'm really having using this laptop(Lenovo G585) is that when Im running two clients in windowed mode that Eve goes "not responding" sometimes when I click things like the Market, or switch from corp chat to a heavily populated local chat, or even just show info on other pilots. Generally if I'm just flying around in space not opening new windows I'm ok. Occasionally it will do it jumping through gates, but I think that only really happens when I have both clients traveling through space at the same time.

My other laptop is a Compaq CQ62, and it's on it's way out. The fan stopped working in it so sooner or later it'll quit working and my wife will claim this laptop as hers(because it is). I don't know if Im going to fix the Compaq or not, the fan assembly is kinda pricey and there are 3 different options for it and I'm not sure which one is which. I think I used to play eve on this Compaq but if I did it was a few years ago before I quit for awhile. I don't remember the performance on it, but I'd guess it wasn't great either.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to make eve work better on these, I'm glad to hear them also.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-04-08 00:31:53 UTC
Bite the bullet and spend more money. Eve will only get more demanding with time. Especially when you get into the realms of fleet pvp you need a bit of pep.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#14 - 2013-04-08 00:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
If your G585 only has 2GB RAM it is is not going to work too well, especially of you have not tweaked Windows to use less RAM. For instance Windows 7 and vendor bloatware typically gobbles-up 1-1.5GB if it is not reigned in.

If you are actually using Windows 8 on that, may Dog have mercy on your soul.

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Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#15 - 2013-04-08 01:31:49 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
If your G585 only has 2GB RAM it is is not going to work too well, especially of you have not tweaked Windows to use less RAM. For instance Windows 7 and vendor bloatware typically gobbles-up 1-1.5GB if it is not reigned in.

If you are actually using Windows 8 on that, may Dog have mercy on your soul.


It came with Win8, and it blows. I haven't adjusted anything on it. Just decided a few weeks ago that I wanted to start playing eve again so I downloaded the client, payed my account fees, and started playing. Like I said, it works ok unless I do certain things when both clients are open. With one client it rarely has a problem.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-04-08 01:46:53 UTC
Krrunch wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
But if you are looking for a general use fast gaming PC that thing is going to be a disappointment.


I'm not. Purely something to play Eve on. Any other games I play, I play on consoles. My last desktop was a Athlon XP processor, 1.3ghz, 1gb of ram, and a radeon 9800 pro gfx card. It last me up until a few years ago...

Tobias Atreides wrote:
You were playing on laptops that were more underpowered then that? were you playing eve on a toaster?
That will play eve, badly, though I'm not sure why you're paying 15$ a month to play this game if you're buying a pc that cant even outperform my phone.


Tell me more about this phone.

Doc Fury wrote:
That should run a couple instances of the EVE client no problem. I've used that same MSI motherboard several times, it's got decent options.

AMD APUs benefit a LOT from using faster RAM. If you upgrade the RAM beyond the 4GB that is included and are using a 64bit OS, use DDR3 1866 RAM (instead of 1333) and the video performance will improve significantly. 16GB RAM kits max out those MSI motherboards inexpensively.

if you are not married to using that exact combo, upgrading to the AMD A8-5600K is a big improvement for the small cost difference, has a better integrated GPU, and could run 3-4 clients easily on low settings given enough RAM.

The stock AMD APU coolers are loud. APUs get hot, so consider getting one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186035


Sounds good. I probably will upgrade the RAM, but I don't know if I want to switch to that processor. It's about double the cost and I'm trying to keep on the cheaper side since I'd rather spend my cash on other stuff. All I need to do is run 2 clients, low settings is fine by me.

Heck I even looked into seeing if I could get away with a little upgrading to my old setup but it doesn't seem like it would be worthwhile.



1. Get a better PC, that thing is...lets just say...not very good? I would spend at least 500 bucks on a new gaming PC. But thats just me.
2. Stop playing Console...I mean its ok, but PC is just in another world unles you are talking console exclusive games. For example: Skyrim on PC is WAYYYYYY better than the console versions.
3. i5 for gaming. I use an i7, but thats overkill. i5 is pretty much the standard for serious PC gaming.
4. I personally use Nvidia. I just like them better than AMD

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Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#17 - 2013-04-08 02:25:59 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:


1. Get a better PC, that thing is...lets just say...not very good? I would spend at least 500 bucks on a new gaming PC. But thats just me.
2. Stop playing Console...I mean its ok, but PC is just in another world unles you are talking console exclusive games. For example: Skyrim on PC is WAYYYYYY better than the console versions.
3. i5 for gaming. I use an i7, but thats overkill. i5 is pretty much the standard for serious PC gaming.
4. I personally use Nvidia. I just like them better than AMD



1. I might spend that much, but if I do it wont be right now, and it will only be because I have to to get what I want out of the PC.
2. I like consoles, they're simple and great for casual gaming.
3. Thanks for the tip on the i5, thats the kinda thing I don't know about anymore since I stopped keeping up with the latest and greatest PC parts. However, I'm not a serious PC gamer. I'm a casual gamer. I don't need my games to run on high graphics at 60 fps, I don't need to play the newest games. I play games that interest me for a long long time, then move on to something else.
4. I'm not really tied to any brand. I had a Nvidia graphics card in a PC way way back that worked great for me. When I built my last desktop I used AMD/ATI parts mostly and really liked those also. AMD/ATI's "APU" stuff is a little foreign to me, and I'm not sure if it's better or not either. I'd go with whatever works that is the best price.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#18 - 2013-04-08 02:42:14 UTC
Quote:
1. I might spend that much, but if I do it wont be right now, and it will only be because I have to to get what I want out of the PC.
2. I like consoles, they're simple and great for casual gaming.


To be honest to really get the most out of EVE you will need to at least build something semi decent, especially to keep it future proof as EVE develops, if you are not prepared (or able) to do that, then just buy Dust on PS3 and give up on EVE Cry
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-08 02:55:13 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
Quote:
1. I might spend that much, but if I do it wont be right now, and it will only be because I have to to get what I want out of the PC.
2. I like consoles, they're simple and great for casual gaming.


To be honest to really get the most out of EVE you will need to at least build something semi decent, especially to keep it future proof as EVE develops, if you are not prepared (or able) to do that, then just buy Dust on PS3 and give up on EVE Cry


I wouldnt go that far. I had a GTS 460 that was able to run EVE on max settings with decent frame rates. I could even do some limited multiboxing with it. EVE is not a graphically intnesive game that will eat a lot of your PC resources, but if you want to future proof, you're going to need to do better tha nthe 200 dollar PC in the OP.

And OP, If you dont want to spend the money on the i5, use the saved money on a great graphcs card. Its the most important item in a gaming PC. Just make sure the rest of your componets can support that GPU.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#20 - 2013-04-08 03:32:15 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
Quote:
1. I might spend that much, but if I do it wont be right now, and it will only be because I have to to get what I want out of the PC.
2. I like consoles, they're simple and great for casual gaming.


To be honest to really get the most out of EVE you will need to at least build something semi decent, especially to keep it future proof as EVE develops, if you are not prepared (or able) to do that, then just buy Dust on PS3 and give up on EVE Cry


While I'd like to think your advice was solid, the PC I linked in the OP is far better than the laptop I'm currently using, and honestly it's doing better than expected for a cheap laptop. Now you might be right, with the next graphics update the PC I'm looking at might be left behind again, but how soon is CCP really planning for that? It took them forever to update the graphics the first time, and it's honestly not needed.

However, I did play Dust on a friends PS3, which made me go out and buy one. So I got that going for me already lol.

Montevius Williams wrote:


I wouldnt go that far. I had a GTS 460 that was able to run EVE on max settings with decent frame rates. I could even do some limited multiboxing with it. EVE is not a graphically intnesive game that will eat a lot of your PC resources, but if you want to future proof, you're going to need to do better tha nthe 200 dollar PC in the OP.

And OP, If you dont want to spend the money on the i5, use the saved money on a great graphcs card. Its the most important item in a gaming PC. Just make sure the rest of your componets can support that GPU.


That's something I've been wondering about. If I go with a AMD/ATI APU do I need to purchase a graphics card on top of that? It seems like their APU thing kinda removes the need for a video card unless you want top notch graphics, which I've never really needed in Eve, it's spreadsheets in space ;)
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