EVE General Discussion

Next time when you rob a bank or kill someone, just because you can, maybe you will realise the gravity of your statement.

This is the biggest fail of humanity, we do things JUST BECAUSE WE CAN, most of them bad ones.

I pity you.

I'm not trying to make any points aside from pointing out that your sport analogy is a poor one. So no, it doesn't make a difference, because the whole sport scenario is not especially applicable to the conversation. That is, unless every player looked at Eve as a sport, which is not the case.

/signed but you missed a point

I agree that morality is a system we need in RL for self preservation, but sorry we are NOT altruistic enough for our whole species :)


The world is not fair*, and law is biased towards the rich or the man with the most guns. But in EVE the law is the same for everyone (DEVs excluded :), you are not judged by your background, many of us are villains in EVE because here we are not bound by the moralities forced (law) or conditioned (religion**) in RL onto us, we create our own moralities.

AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART

We CAN create our own moralities and we have the mobility to find people which share our concept of morality, and this in a very convenient way without any consequences in RL



*Sorry but whoever believes that Hollywood BS that the good always win is a fool or a dreamer***

**no OFFENSE if you are religious, but just look at the history of each religion and you have to admit that besides believe, religions has one major function, stabilize a set society and their rulers. And I say conditioned because religion is in general a system which is established in our childhood BEFORE we have the experience, knowledge to make our own decision.

*** in which case I am jealous

Who speaks for the Mackinaws????

Lol

Hard to believe that there are people as shallow as this that genuinely think that anyone who blows up their pixel ship in an internet spaceship game about blowing up pixel ships, thinks that the perpetrator is therefore a psychopath.

I mean, there are people that dumb in this world?

I don't believe you can nor should you form an opinion on the what someone is like in RL just by the type of character they play in game. Reading this thread reminded me of something someone told me in another MMO I played.

In that other MMO we played the 'evil' guy a lot of people are talking about and one day I asked him why he chose to play that way. He's a lawyer in RL and he said he needs to sit and keep his mouth shut all day when dealing with clients. At home he gets to log in and 'scream'. Playing the game is his, "mental bubblegum"

I think the same is true in eve (most of the time). Some of the nicest people I have met in the game have/ or tried to gank me. I thank them everyday for making the game so much fun.

Only scrambled one pod and never shot a miner or indy. I feel guilty for shooting worm hole dwellers and they can shoot back.

The word "guilty" is what has the majority of us worried in this statement. For example

I kill noobies in lowsec frequently. Usually I am also able to nab their pod. I try not to actually pod new players. Is this a moral standpoint? Do you think i feel bad for blowing up someone who was ill-equipped to come to low sec? NO

I try not to blow up their pod (i offer other alternatives) because I want them to come back at some point and try again. I want people to learn and give me challenging fights. Most of the time I chat with them after our business to give them more information on what they were doing and about having reasonable expectations. My corp is dedicated to this as well. This isn't because I have a good feeling when I do it, its because it promotes a healthy pew pew environment for everyone, which is how I enjoy this sandbox.

When you play chess do you get upset if someone "captures" one of your pawns without any justification? Is that immoral? Why not? Answer: because its part of the game.

Pvp *is* part of the game.


That said I do not leave my morality at the door. I still don't lie to people on vent or in game for my personal gain. I don't think thats part of the game. Thats just lying for your own gain. People can claim all they want that they are really honest people who would never lie outside of eve even though they lie and cheat people in the game. I tend to doubt this is true for the vast majority of them.

By promoting this type of behavior (which is mostly done out of game via vent servers etc.) I think CCP does eve a disservice.

I will say the issue is a bit complicated.

I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".

If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw?

Perhaps people only behave "morally" in real life because of external pressure to do so - the law, peer/family pressure, the threat of reprisal. So, they come to EVE for an escape from the strictures that force them to "play nice", and let their real selves show. Humanity is pretty sick, IMO, what with all the rapists, murderers, pedophiles, child snipers, torturers, enslavers, disabled-abusers, authority-abusers, scammers, terrorists, warlords, drug addicts, drug traffickers, human traffickers, self-mutilators, and celebrity dancers you can see polluting the news every single day.

Is it seriously any surprise that your average EVE player might like to pop a lowsec miner one in a while?