EVE General Discussion

Not everyone shares your definition of fun.

MIND BLOWN!

You game fun is your responsibility. Not corp mates or corp leaders. If they read the eve getting started wiki guide they would know there is more to the game than mining and hi sec. The rookie channel is open for 30 days as well so they could ask in their what other game stuff to do. No excuse really.

they should make those little red crosses actually cross when they get blown up and write you teary diatribes, really meaty character assassination stuff.

They make their own women? Is that even legal?

And to the op: enjoying mining dosnt mean I've failed at pvp.
I'm starting to wonder if this isn't about you wanting all the new players in low sec so you can blow them up instead of fighting someone with experience.

Wappler ...


OPs point isn't the usual **** you talk about, although you like to see exactly that.

Nobody in this thread here is forcing anybodies playstyle onto anybody else.

What he's talking about is denial of realization of possibilities.

The very fact that new people have no idea what's going on
and have full trust in what the older people, from the very corp they have joined, tell them.

It's on the same level as carebears in noobcorps telling new people to never go to lowsec
because they'll die fast and that's bad. Instead of teaching them, they just tell them to avoid it.

That's the issue. Not showing new people the possibilities and forcing them into a specific
train of thought. Most highsec corps really *are* crap. If any of you wappler (that's an Austrian insult, btw)
really cared, you'd talk to more new people out there and you'd find a LOT of them in corps
that mostly don't care or try to force them into THEIR playstyle ... which is EXACTLY what you guys complain about.

But you only complain about it if the "PvP"ers talk about it ... and not the other way round.


I even have a factual example from a guy ingame.

Once, in Osmon, there was this guy in a carebear salvaging corp called Pro Synergy.
I can't forget that name, because it's sounds seriously gay. lol

Anyway, that guy asked me if we could team up and gank something ... and so we did.

The consequences out of this were that the alliance chat heated up 300%, once they saw the killmail.
People demanded him to be removed from the corp, the CEO apologized to our victim and sent him
DOUBLE the amount of his loss, which was one of these shiny new frigates, i can't even recall.

People like them, not actually accepting the realities of the game, are the issue. It doesn't matter if you
prefer PvE or PvP ... what matters is that everybody should simply understand the reality of the game,
but many people don't !

Many people deny new people actual gameplay, either by telling them their biased views ...
... (and thus spreading them) ...
... or by completely denying certain playstyles to them.

Now comes the "then he can find a better corp" argument ... and i wished it was true,
but it simply isn't that easy. It isn't. I know you don't believe me, but i have talked to MANY new people
and there are MANY highsec corps out there that are simply CRAP, with crappy CEOs and crappy goals,
teaching new people CRAP about the game ... or only half of what it's worth ... or not teaching them at all !

That's not my personal opinion, it's paraphrased of what the other people tell me.
A really good highsec corp, that actually teaches their members well,
that doesn't FORCE A SPECIFIC PLAYSTYLE ONTO THEM, (PvE!)
and that is open minded toward anything one can do in EvE ... is *rare*.

It's the *exception* !


And here's the killer:

Most new people get FORCED into mining or running missions, because there aren't enough people showing
them that they DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS ! At all ! I'm serious ! But ... and that's a big BUT ... reaching these
new people, once they've started going that road, is HARD, because they already got pushed into this
specific direction, OR because there are *actual* carebears talking crap against those who try to bring new
people into other directions besides mining and running missions, which a LOT of new people don't actually enjoy !

That's the real issue ! And i KNOW it is, because i ACTIVELY tried finding out wtf is going on with
so many new people mining and running missions ... and it's NOT because they enjoy it !

Nobody can say he enjoys something before he did it for the first time !
Causality and stuff ! Doesn't work that way, you know !

It's because it was the first thing shown to them ! They might actually enjoy "PvP" more,
but once pushed into a certain direction, it's hard to push people into another !

Besides people ingame as examples, i have an actual reallife friend who i brought into EvE.
I've told him not to start with mining/missions, but left him do his thing. He wanted to.
So he started canflipping (i really didn't tell him to do that) and now he sits in a lowsec corp,
not playing with me, "enjoying" sitting in gatecamps for hours doing nothing until some
moron in a freighter MIGHT show up ! That's saddening, btw.

Killing a freighter in a gang was his first BIG enjoyment (huge pile of ISK) and now he's
ignorant about anything else, because THAT'S what he enjoys and he completely blocked
the fact that he might actually enjoy other things too, if he just TRIED them !

His case is so bad, i can't even bring him to join me up in highsec to gank something,
because he's completely blinded by his past experiences.

TL;DR:

New people lack the realization of possibilities,
because there are other people working against it, intentionally or not !


I win this thread, now GTFO !


(edit: holy ****, that felt good. I wanted to get that off my chest for a long time ^_^)

Ive been in crappy corps on other chars...didn't keep me from finding out what I could do in the game...why defend lazy players?

To be fair those of us dedicated to the Tear Collective will travel to any space be it null, high, low for explosions. Low Sec is in desperate need for content for newer players and incentives to keep people interested in an area of space that has some of the best pvp experiences bar none.

I'm certain (most) newer players would find being the nasty bad guy more intriguing than collecting rocks. How I wish CCP would make NPC Pirate corps, starting missions etc to make Piracy a truly viable profession to those who wish to pursue it.

Like I've stated before new blood in Eve is what drives content and keeps things fresh. These players need to realize there's more than the blue doughnut and Veldspar. God is there so so much more.....

Yes there is a heck of alot more...but it's up to you, the player, to find out and not expect people to tell you..it's not like pvp is a closely guarded government secret.

I disagree. A new player lacks the funds to support much in the way of losses... and that is what will happen. Most will quit or go to something else.

Lowsec requires experience.

Into something. You either try to do something on your own or in a small group to learn the game and make ISK.. or throw yourself on the mercy of a 0.0 Corp.

Trust no one they say... what is the choice made most often by new players?

A third option might be nice.