Science & Industry

If you really want Ice removed from Hisec then it should be added to WH space. I mean why not... why not have a grav field with ice in it?

For those complaining about bots - they exist is null as well so this would do nothing to change that. If you want to solve some of the botting just remove local from null. I have yet to see bots in WH space...maybe there is a reason But I strongly suspect all the null sec alliances would cry about that... afterall none of them bot anything.

To add to this. The EVE Online Terms of Service state the following:

"CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.

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Here is a link to said Terms of Service.

Though I don't think it would be a good idea to move Ice to Null, I believe that your post is nothing more than whining. Please read the fine print of what you're agreeing to before you start threatening.

Well, at the very least...
Exhumers V - 1,280,000
Mining Barge V - 1,024,000
Astrogeology V - 768,000
Mining V - 256,000
Ice Harvesting V - 256,000

For the sake of your arguement, assume:
Hydromagnetic Physics IV - 226,000
Refining V - 256,000
Refinery Efficiency V - 768,000
Ice Processing V - 1,280,000 (why?)
Cybernetics V - 768,000

Total skill points: 6,882,000

I've got more than that in Gunnery alone and I can barely hit anything.

Right. Real lot invested there, isn't it. Especially since none of those skills (at all, not even just two out of the bunch!) can be used in other areas of gameplay...

point of interest -- Hydromagnetic Physics is used in T2 stuff, but otherwise yeah, nothing can be used outside of mining (and/or industry in the case of refining skills)

You're forgetting what the stated intent was with regards to taking ice our of high sec... to get more people into null space. Changing how ice is harvested in high has nothing to do with that... that's not the perceived problem. The perceived problem is not enough people in null, and the imagined solution was "resource redistribution" in order to get people into null. Of course, they forget that people are in null because they want to be and in high because they want to be. Taking away ice won't make null attractive to those with no desire to go there. They'll either do something else or quit. Then when pos fuel supply crashes taking the economy with it... well, it won't be good for subscriptions.

Mag site? shouldn't they be grav sites?

This won't necessarily help nullsec people either, sure each would be part of a monopoy of one ice type, but who holds all the others?

Also the low number of static ice belts in NPC space will be permacamped 24/7, no other way around it. Minning ores in lowsec in belts is a cakewalk compared with ice.

Ice prices go rocketing. Evidence, gooncusion in gallente space. Now imagine that long term, every space.

Though..... would make using capitals and POS more expensive be good or bad?

If they remove it from highsec then they really need newer less static sources, im willing to trade using limitless resources in one spot for multiple safer spots that deplete over time.

It would change allot of things, it would create chaos. It wouldn't make the game boring encouraging less bots for key resources.

My cup o' tears runneth over.

The part that annoys me to no end is this whole CCP is trying to get people into Null Sec. They should trade mark that instead of "Coming Soon", as it has been pushed and pushed and used as a justification for changes (enacted and merely suggested since 2003).

I live in Null Sec. I have operations in High Sec and I travel between the two worlds consistently. I say this so that my viewpoint isn't misconstrued as a coming from someone who wishes to only live in highsec and be left alone.

That being said, let’s take a look at the whole "Trying to get more people into Null Sec".

The assumption implied by this statement is that there are not enough people in Null Sec. I challenge the validity of that statement. I challenge it because the term 'enough' is relative, i.e., in the eye of the beholder. From my perspective and point of view, there are plenty of people in Null Sec. In fact, sometimes I wish they'd go away. You may think that from your point of view there aren't enough, and it's valid, nobody can prove you wrong because quite simply, "enough" isn't a tangible variable that can be defined.

My real angst at this over the years is that I do not like it when people I pay money to attempt to make me do something. I pay money, I choose what I do, and if anything, CCP should respond to my wants and desires, not the other way around. I don't pay for Eve Online so that the developer and push me into playing the game in a way I do not want to play the game. After all, is this a sandbox or is it not a sandbox. You can't be 'sort of' in terms of being a sandbox. You are, or you aren't. Right now they're a sandbox with a giant cat turd in the middle of it. They like to throw the term around and use it to define Eve, but in actuality, what is sand boxy about pushing people into Null Sec. I went into Null Sec when *I* wanted to go there, not because of some change CCG made. Trying to make your customer do something you want them to do is an inherently flawed and eventually doomed business model.

What this reminds me of are those people who have to talk bad about someone else in an attempt to make themselves look better. In much the same way CCP seems to think they have to take something away from High Sec in order to make Null Sec more appealing. To operate in this way is in essence just laziness. Basically, they can't be bothered to invent new Null Sec specific activities, so instead they tinker around with the idea of taking things from somewhere else.

What is really sad about this kind of thinking is that it is pervasive at CCP and you can see the effects of it in their oft championed 'Winter Expansion'. Look at the super cap nerf. It's just being lazy. You don't have to nerf Super Capitals. Instead, be creative, inventive. Add to our options to deal with things that have been shown to be unbalanced, don't limit what is already in place.

The other thing that is sad is that this post which attempts to convey something meaningful to CCP, in the end is pointless and will amount to absolutely nothing as it is lost in the shuffle, dismissed, critiqued and ultimately flamed without ever really being read by anyone at CCP with an open mind. Just like thousands of other forum posts. And they can't figure out why a lot of us are angry. It's a mystery.

I hope to god they go through with removing ice from high-sec.

Now they just need to nerf drone poo and mission loot reprocessing and I MIGHT actually mine something.