EVE General Discussion

so your position is CCP should not merely make the mackinaw the perfect highsec miner but they should do something like change the name of the hulk to "use a mackinaw you goddamned moron" because even the little bit of decision-making on picking the right ship is too much for these people?

When you stopped listening to others who told you how to play this game... you found enjoyment. Your solution is to tell other people how to play this game?

Of course they are, but that's the whole point, isn't it?
These newbies are not allowed to form their own opinions and instead get their heads stuff full of hyperbolic, uninformed, and often directly incorrect information that teaches then all the wrong lessons and makes then quit for reasons they never learned were untrue.

What risk is there to a vet with 100M skill points and a 100B ISK backed up by a 0.0 Corp?

A two month old player venturing into lowsec to mine risks more.

What information do you feel they are getting that is incorrect?

Yes, new players might be misinformed by carebear corps in high sec...as they might be by PVP corps in low sec...why is it that theres a general feeling that most people believe that PVPers are superior?

PVPers can "mess up" new players as much as carebears can.

I must disagree on these particular points, only these points though. Your definition is too broad, a carebear is someone that refuses to accept that other people can and will interfere with them given half a chance, and then cries about it on the forums when someone does.

Industrialists, Traders, Mission Runners and the like are only carebears if they refuse to accept the reality of Eve, I do all of these things, but I accept that others are free to interfere in how I play. I will, however, do all I can to avoid said interference by using the mechanics available and the knowledge of aggro mechanics, that I've gained through making stupid mistakes like shooting at looters, to outwit aggressors.

Am I a PvE player? Yes, in the main I am.
Am I a carebear? Yes, by your broad definition, others may like to disagree with your definition, I'm one of them.

People confuse the right to have subjective preferences with the right not to be told they're provably wrong about objective issues.

Like if I say Apple pie is better, and you say cherry pie is better, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

If you say Henry VIII was a bad political leader because he imported carnivorous kangaroos and set them to devour the inhabitants of the county of Cleveland, then I get to tell you that your opinion is wrong, because there's a huge body of historical and scientific fact that shows the basis of it to be provably false.

Some people actually like to mine. I don't see it, but they do it.. been doing it for years.

If they enjoy it, who can say otherwise?