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Why your CSM8 vote doesn't matter...

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#141 - 2013-04-07 18:57:21 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?


By opening more alt accounts, you mean?
You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Artctura
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2013-04-07 18:59:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?


By opening more alt accounts, you mean?
You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Blink


Not only are account numbers at an all time high, but concurrent users is also at (Or at least very close) to one as well.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Artctura for CSM 2013
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#143 - 2013-04-07 19:06:47 UTC
He's desperate to prove "EVE is dying" because he's bitter he has to train skill up the same as everyone else.


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#144 - 2013-04-07 19:30:28 UTC
Artctura wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?


By opening more alt accounts, you mean?
You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Blink


Not only are account numbers at an all time high, but concurrent users is also at (Or at least very close) to one as well.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

55K+ when I just logged in.
Not too shabby.
Cool

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#145 - 2013-04-07 20:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Mag's wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?


By opening more alt accounts, you mean?
You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Blink



Everyone I know has at least one alt, and my oldest friends in game have several, not all of which are currently active. It was not that way a few years ago. Objectively, it is an observable trend in game that is even being marketed by CCP at this time--and it is safe to say, if not extremely likely, that a much larger portion of EVE's player base now consists of alts then ever before in this game's history.





That's a really nice and technical way of telling you to go and blow it out of your ass. EVE is now being marketed as a "Power of Two" game it is so prolific.



...and yet we are told NOT to think that the power of two has any effect on subscriptions. Oh my... the stupid. It burns.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#146 - 2013-04-07 20:32:32 UTC
Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#147 - 2013-04-07 20:44:44 UTC
After my actual votes for Mangala, Malc, and Mynnna, I voted Riverini because **** all of you.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#148 - 2013-04-07 20:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis wrote:
Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.



And the CSM candidate seems to know nothing about the steadily growing trend of alt accounts throughout New Eden.




Run to that vote booth people. We have a winner. Maybe next you can tell us how there are nothing but bots in empire, and in nullsec there are next to none? (Get's Popcorn.)

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#149 - 2013-04-07 21:45:04 UTC
No Votes Nerf Boats... so vote in the CSM electionsAttentionAttentionAttention
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Frying Doom
#150 - 2013-04-07 21:50:05 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.



And the CSM candidate seems to know nothing about the steadily growing trend of alt accounts throughout New Eden.




Run to that vote booth people. We have a winner. Maybe next you can tell us how there are nothing but bots in empire, and in nullsec there are next to none? (Get's Popcorn.)

I have no data to say whether there are now more people with multiple accounts, or not.

Subscriptions have gone up, that is about it, when I joined the game one of the first articles I read said I should have 2 or 3 accounts.

Either way around you see threads here quite often talking about having only 1 account.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-04-07 21:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
DarthNefarius wrote:
No Votes Nerf Boats... so vote in the CSM electionsAttentionAttentionAttention



Votes nerf boats too.



Frying Doom wrote:


Either way around you see threads here quite often talking about having only 1 account.


Here are two little pro-tips for you Mr doom. 1. don't presume that these forums are an accurate representation of people in game. Most people who play can't stand this cesspool of a forum, and don't even bother reading it. Secondly, do not base your theory on "how few alt accounts" their are in eve, based primarily on a forum populated in large part by alt posting characters. What?


There you go, two pro tips for free. No need to thank me.

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Frying Doom
#152 - 2013-04-07 22:01:04 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


Either way around you see threads here quite often talking about having only 1 account.


Here are two little pro-tips for you Mr doom. 1. don't presume that these forums are an accurate representation of people in game. Most people who play can't stand this cesspool of a forum, and don't even bother reading it. Secondly, do not base your theory on "how few alt accounts" their are in eve, based primarily on a forum populated in large part by alt posting characters. What?


There you go, two pro tips for free. No need to thank me.

I am very aware these forums are not representative of EvE as a whole. As most of the people here vote for one thing.

As to the number of Alt accounts, I prefer to base my ideas on hard facts, and there are none. I was just stating that there are those that post on these forums and have only one account, this is especially telling when you consider the fact that most of the posters on these forums are the hard core players.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#153 - 2013-04-07 22:03:48 UTC
because fixed bloc voting doesn't interest me perhaps?

i think i can choose the winners right now.. same sh*t different year.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#154 - 2013-04-07 22:03:52 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.



And the CSM candidate seems to know nothing about the steadily growing trend of alt accounts throughout New Eden.




Run to that vote booth people. We have a winner. Maybe next you can tell us how there are nothing but bots in empire, and in nullsec there are next to none? (Get's Popcorn.)


Please link your source so that I can educate myself

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#155 - 2013-04-07 22:07:00 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
because fixed bloc voting doesn't interest me perhaps?

i think i can choose the winners right now.. same sh*t different year.

The only reason that the blocs get the majority of seats, is that they have the majority of votes.

If more people voted their influence would be lessened.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2013-04-07 22:10:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
because fixed bloc voting doesn't interest me perhaps?

i think i can choose the winners right now.. same sh*t different year.

The only reason that the blocs get the majority of seats, is that they have the majority of votes.

If more people voted their influence would be lessened.


You dont get it do you? Most of the people are in those large alliances vote and their alts also. Do you not know that most of eve is nullsec vet alliance members and their multiple alts? Doesnt really leave many 'others' to vote.
Also the only people really interested in stroking their egos rather than actually doing good for the game are those nullsec vet players.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#157 - 2013-04-07 22:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis wrote:


Please link your source so that I can educate myself



This is what happens when a CSM of the people really goes out there and has meaningful conversations with the average, run of the mill everyday player in new eden. With his pulse on the heartbeat of eve, this man could not possibly do anything less then give CCP the rich and informed feedback they need to take this game into the next decade and beyond.


Even with the obvious sarcasm of the above, I still puked a little in my mouth as I typed this.






This is your CSM candidate. He doesn't think more people are indulging in multi-account game play then a few years prior. Enjoy.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#158 - 2013-04-07 22:15:33 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
because fixed bloc voting doesn't interest me perhaps?

i think i can choose the winners right now.. same sh*t different year.

The only reason that the blocs get the majority of seats, is that they have the majority of votes.

If more people voted their influence would be lessened.


You dont get it do you? Most of the people are in those large alliances vote and their alts also. Do you not know that most of eve is nullsec vet alliance members and their multiple alts? Doesnt really leave many 'others' to vote.
Also the only people really interested in stroking their egos rather than actually doing good for the game are those nullsec vet players.
And what is wrong with the people contributing the most, cash-wise, to the game getting a say in the process proportional to the income they generate, eh?

Don't like it? Get Hi-Sec to vote. Hi-Sec won't vote? Deal with it. Or join the WH- or Nul-Blocs.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#159 - 2013-04-07 22:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Frying Doom wrote:

I am very aware these forums are not representative of EvE as a whole.


Then don't site it as a source M`kay? It makes you look stupid. K, thx. Kisses.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-04-07 22:27:47 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
This is what happens when a CSM of the people really goes out there and has meaningful conversations with the average, run of the mill everyday player in new eden. With his pulse on the heartbeat of eve, this man could not possibly do anything less then give CCP the rich and informed feedback they need to take this game into the next decade and beyond.


You're really upset that he asked you to cite a claim you specifically made.

In case the point still flew miles over your head (a point fiying miles over the head of a thick as pig **** SMA shirtlord? NEVER), there's a big difference between "there's more alt accounts now than there was years ago" and "there's a steadily growing trend of alt accounts". If you still don't get it, maybe someone can draw it in crayon for you.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["