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Exploration, Risk vs. Reward, T3 ships and DED 4/10s

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#241 - 2013-04-07 11:09:34 UTC
Umega wrote:
--whine--bla bla bla--whine--
Here's some cheese to go with all that whine you left.

Oh my gawd. I don't even know who you are but that was probably the most epic off topic troll reply I've ever seen. You are so far off from thread topic it's pathetic. In fact, you just advanced trolling to a whole new level. I gotta say I'm glad I only read this one post of yours which was the biggest piece of BS I've ever seen. Talk about a 'Cry me a river' bleeding heart speech.

lol, all that ranting about me being in NPC corp, bla bla bla, being a disease upon the very core and foundation of Eve, bla bla bla, not having to run or contribute to a corp/alliance, bla bla bla, etc..

Well bud, that's just too freakin bad. Get over it already. While you're at it, stop trying to tell others how to play this game and above all else, stay on topic.

DMC
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#242 - 2013-04-07 16:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Funny how people keep saying high sec exploration has too much reward v risk.
its zero risk, and yes, this is the topic of the thread.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Funny how there isn't a lot of high sec exploration sites available (except w-holes).
If the only hisec sites you consider are 4/10s, then yeah it may seem a little sparse. If 1/10s and 2/10's aren't spawning correctly, then that deserves a look from CCP.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Funny how those who don't fly T3 Cruisers keep saying ban them from high sec sites.
Many if not most of the people saying this fly t3's.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Funny how low sec PvP's keep saying move 4/10's out of high sec.
Yes, Mio and myself and all the others in this thread are just ebil piwates looking to kill you, and not simply other disillusioned explorers. Feel free to check my kill log for all the juicy explorer's I've ganked in lowsec. If only I had more targets...Roll

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

The problem is that most high sec explorers won't do low sec exploration due to one simple reason. They're not looking for PvP action, plain and simple. If they were, they would just go sit on a gate in low sec, if only I had more targets...


What a load of bull. Lowsec explorers are not looking for PvP. Lowsec explorers are not happy to encounter gatecamps, or to get probed out in a 5/10. Highsec explorers avoid lowsec because its harder, takes more time, requires better ships, and as you so eloquently put later, is more of a "hassle." I think most people accept that many will not move to lowsec because of higher rewards. Its not really important that tons of people run to lowsec. Whats important is that the rewards in hisec are very very good for having almost zero "hassle."

Its funny that your entire post consists of attacking the motives of those with whom you disagree. "Don't listen to them, they just want to gank you!"

Its also funny that you manually sign every post. Dweeb.
Zircon Dasher
#243 - 2013-04-07 17:23:49 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
its zero risk, and yes, this is the topic of the thread.


If it is zero risk then that is the fault of the player base not being willing to supply said risk.
Changing rewards is just the short hand way of saying people would rather have mommy CCP change the theme park.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#244 - 2013-04-07 17:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
its zero risk, and yes, this is the topic of the thread.


If it is zero risk then that is the fault of the player base not being willing to supply said risk.
Changing rewards is just the short hand way of saying people would rather have mommy CCP change the theme park.


So exploration is broken because suicide gankers don't bother to probe out 4/10s and kill ~1bn isk tengus. Its their fault. Right. Roll
Zircon Dasher
#245 - 2013-04-07 17:45:28 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
its zero risk, and yes, this is the topic of the thread.


If it is zero risk then that is the fault of the player base not being willing to supply said risk.
Changing rewards is just the short hand way of saying people would rather have mommy CCP change the theme park.


So exploration is broken because suicide gankers don't bother to probe out 4/10s and kill ~1bn isk tengus. Its their fault. Right. Roll


Oh right. I forgot. Suicide ganking is the only way of supplying risk. Roll

I love eye-roll wars don't you?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Umega
Solis Mensa
#246 - 2013-04-07 19:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Umega
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
defensive posture with zero substance DMC


Not surprisingly, you went for the shield.

Whine. Rant. Troll.

Could you be any more unoriginal in your attempt to deflect?

You sure are dodging a couple of rebuttals to your post. Do you have nothing other than some lines that are clearly going to look like a plea for highsec 4/10s to be unchanged? Or, God help us all.. lowsec exploration to be made just as safe so it makes more people want to do them?

Way to wave the 'Momma-boy' banner.. free hotpockets for everyone.. and cake too, all you have to do is breath. No lie. No effort required. Grow fat and lazy in the mind while at it.. by your lack of imagination, clearly such can be an end result. Tragic.

I have left plenty of material, thoughts, conclusions, counter/side arguements to the topic at hand. Unless you are too lazy, and don't feel like you should put forth the effort to read, understand, and respond to them specificly. Stop posting. K?

Why.. cause I said so. Don't pretend or act like you don't attempt to tell people how they should play.. and your method is a cancer upon the core and foundation of EVE. Don't like my view? That's some tough ****, cause you won't do a damn thing about it.. except get all squirrely on the forum.

I was on topic.. you just weren't. I suggest you put forth effort into reading my post with an unbiased mind, and my other posts.. one post (206) having a lengthy list of actual ideas to help. Try harder.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2013-04-07 19:33:30 UTC
There's just far too many quotes to do this properly.

DeMichael Crimson wrote = Funny how people keep saying high sec exploration has too much reward v risk.
Kodama Ikari wrote = its zero risk, and yes, this is the topic of the thread.
Zero risk? Oh you mean like the passive income from research agents? Sorry Charley, thread topic is a lot more than just risk v reward. It pertains to T3's running 4/10's in high sec but apparently you forgot about that.

DeMichael Crimson wrote = Funny how there isn't a lot of high sec exploration sites available (except w-holes).
Kodama Ikari wrote = If the only hisec sites you consider are 4/10s, then yeah it may seem a little sparse. If 1/10s and 2/10's aren't spawning correctly, then that deserves a look from CCP.
Ahhh, you're right. I forgot to include Rogue Drone sites with the w-holes. Obviously you don't do any high sec exploration or you'd know what that statement means.

DeMichael Crimson wrote = Funny how those who don't fly T3 Cruisers keep saying ban them from high sec sites.
Kodama Ikari wrote = Many if not most of the people saying this fly t3's.
Now that's a bunch of BS. You seriously expect me to believe the majority of high sec explorers in T3 Cruisers are asking for their ships to be banned from high sec sites?

DeMichael Crimson wrote = Funny how low sec PvP's keep saying move 4/10's out of high sec.
Kodama Ikari wrote = Yes, Mio and myself and all the others in this thread are just ebil piwates looking to kill you, and not simply other disillusioned explorers. Feel free to check my kill log for all the juicy explorer's I've ganked in lowsec.
If only I had more targets...Roll

Oh nooooooo. Was that a threat? Now I'm really scared. I travel in both high and low sec systems all the time. Feel free to look me up.....................seriously.

By the way, stop trying to group yourself with St Mio. You may be in the same game but you'll definitely never be in the same league as St Mio.
St Mio wrote:
IMHO, players should be rewarded more for taking the risk to fly and run sites in hostile space (or space they’ve earned). If they’re putting in effort and paying attention to Local, scouting for gatecamps, knowing who the locals are and when and where they operate, that explorer should be rewarded more than someone whose only concern is whether a system is high-sec Caldari space. Players who are brave enough to jump out of high-sec should get greater rewards than those who are risk-adverse.
Looks like St Mio wants low sec exploration rewards to be buffed.

Now about this:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

The problem is that most high sec explorers won't do low sec exploration due to one simple reason. They're not looking for PvP action, plain and simple. If they were, they would just go sit on a gate in low sec

What a load of bull. Lowsec explorers are not looking for PvP. Lowsec explorers are not happy to encounter gatecamps, or to get probed out in a 5/10. Highsec explorers avoid lowsec because its harder, takes more time, requires better ships, and as you so eloquently put later, is more of a "hassle." I think most people accept that many will not move to lowsec because of higher rewards. Its not really important that tons of people run to lowsec. Whats important is that the rewards in hisec are very very good for having almost zero "hassle."

Its funny that your entire post consists of attacking the motives of those with whom you disagree. "Don't listen to them, they just want to gank you!"

Its also funny that you manually sign every post. Dweeb.
Gawd, how lame can you get?.
I didn't disagree with the motives of anyone in this thread, whatever that's supposed to mean nor have I ever said "Don't listen to them, they just want to gank you!" Obviously those points I listed must have hit very close to home to merit the troll attacks. I have noticed you and a few others constantly trolling this thread. Do everyone a favor and just go back to GD sub-forum.

As for your reply, you basically just re-stated everything I said while trying to twist it around in a pathetic failed attempt to shame me. Please spare us your constant rant about 'Zero' risk in high sec exploration. Why would you care anyway if you're just an ebil piwate looking to kill explorers? Oh right, that's the whole point of you posting in this thread, trying to get more targets.....

Now about being a Dweeb, only a Geeky kid would use that term. If you were a mature adult, you'd know that signing a document is done with a written name, not with initials. I don't 'Sign' my posted replies, I leave my initials and quite honestly it makes me extremely happy to know that it bothers you so much.

Lol

DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#248 - 2013-04-07 19:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Umega wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
defensive posture with zero substance DMC


Not surprisingly, you went for the shield.

Whine. Rant. Troll.

Could you be any more unoriginal in your attempt to deflect?

You sure are dodging a couple of rebuttals to your post. Do you have nothing other than some lines that are clearly going to look like a plea for highsec 4/10s to be unchanged? Or, God help us all.. lowsec exploration to be made just as safe so it makes more people want to do them?

Way to wave the 'Momma-boy' banner.. free hotpockets for everyone.. and cake too, all you have to do is breath. No lie. No effort required. Grow fat and lazy in the mind while at it.. by your lack of imagination, clearly such can be an end result. Tragic.

I have left plenty of material, thoughts, conclusions, counter/side arguements to the topic at hand. Unless you are too lazy, and don't feel like you should put forth the effort to read, understand, and respond to them specificly. Stop posting. K?

Why.. cause I said so. Don't pretend or act like you don't attempt to tell people how they should play.. and your method is a cancer upon the core and foundation of EVE. Don't like my view? That's some tough ****, cause you won't do a damn thing about it.. except get all squirrely on the forum.

I was on topic.. you just weren't. I suggest you put forth effort into reading my post with an unbiased mind, and my other posts.. one post having a lengthy list of actual ideas to help. Try harder.

Dude, your whole posted reply was personal attacks and rants about me being in an NPC corp, like that has anything to do with this thread topic. Now you want to try and spin this around and portray yourself as a good guy? Get a clue already. Obviously you didn't bother to read the entire thread either or you would have seen I already answered St Mio's questions.

What's ironic is I just posted a general observation about the thread whereas you and another person immediately make personal attacks. Now I'm gonna say this once for both you and Kodama Ikari, next time you post personal attacks against me and start a flame war, I won't post a response to you. My reply will be done with the report option.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#249 - 2013-04-07 20:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Umega
Heh.

So defensive.. trying to protect something?

Again.. take off the jaded sunglasses, clear your mind of biased cliff-jumping.. and read my posts again, and put forth some effort into thinking. I have made rather strong points concerning EVE explorations and the mentality behind it all. Better than simply stating...

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think everything is working as intended. The problem is that there's just not enough sites being spawned now due to an increase of players doing exploration and blitzing the sites.

DMC


Followed up with a long winded story that hints at making exploration sites Instanced.. if, I suppose, there can't be more of them so You have a better chance at gaining loot. Greedy.

Sorry.. but it wasn't Your vigil site. Get over it.. Dude.

You have the option to report me if you wish. You're the one flinging 'troll/flames/rants/whines' around at me and others. Again.. open your mind and read my posts again. Don't be so quick to snap judgement at the first line that threatens your current cashcow activity. Fact remains tho.. you use NPC corps as a safety net, no reason not to admit doing so when you have stated such in the past.. Dude.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2013-04-07 21:23:25 UTC
Umega wrote:
Heh.

So defensive.. trying to protect something?

Again.. take off the jaded sunglasses, clear your mind of biased cliff-jumping.. and read my posts again, and put forth some effort into thinking. I have made rather strong points concerning EVE explorations and the mentality behind it all. Better than simply stating...

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think everything is working as intended. The problem is that there's just not enough sites being spawned now due to an increase of players doing exploration and blitzing the sites.

DMC


Followed up with a long winded story that hints at making exploration sites Instanced.. if, I suppose, there can't be more of them so You have a better chance at gaining loot. Greedy.

Sorry.. but it wasn't Your vigil site. Get over it.. Dude.

You have the option to report me if you wish. You're the one flinging 'troll/flames/rants/whines' around at me and others. Again.. open your mind and read my posts again. Don't be so quick to snap judgement at the first line that threatens your current cashcow activity. Fact remains tho.. you use NPC corps as a safety net, no reason not to admit doing so when you have stated such in the past.. Dude.

Yeah, I still stand by that statement. If you disagree with it, fine. Maybe you can explain the lack of high sec exploration sites, especially during the weekends.

And for the record, that was indeed my Vigil site. I got the Faction loot drop and expedition early due to someone else trying to blitz the site while I was already there interacting with all of the content. Am I greedy? Not when compared to the countless others who only do the bare minimum required in order to blitz the sites just to gain Faction loot asap.

That was my main point anyway. People running around just blitzing sites due to static triggers being documented, all in the pursuit of Faction loot.

As for flinging 'troll/flames/rants/whines', you and Kodama Ikari drew first blood after I made a general observation of this thread. I didn't quote anyone or make any personal attacks. I have no intention of derailing this thread but if the attacks continue, I will gladly post reports and have multiple friends in-game do the same.

Last but not least, again you try to demean me for being in NPC corp. That has nothing to do with this thread topic and as you so eloquently stated : Get Over It.


DMC
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#251 - 2013-04-07 21:45:14 UTC
The risk in doing highsec exploation is that your site can be taken from you by a better pilot. A pilot who can scan the site down faster than you and blitz it better than you.

You don't like that? Tough. Train your skills, get a better ship, and beat them at their own game. Otherwise, HTFU.

TL;DR: Highsec exploration working as intended.
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#252 - 2013-04-08 06:05:22 UTC
Most of you are completely out to lunch and I couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread...

The real problem with low sec (and therefore low sec exploration) is the difference between a PVP fit ship and a PVE fit one. If you change the complexes so that they can be run in a ship that's fit more for PVP than PVE then the explorer has a better chance of defending themselves. As it stands now any PVE fit ship is a soft target for a PVP fit one.

Now for some general points:

1) Anyone who thinks that nerfing high sec will force risk adverse players into low sec is daft -they will simply quit playing the game.

2) I use to explore in low sec until I realized that I was making less isk because the sites take longer to run, the rewards didn't scale, and I spent too much time waiting for peeps to clear out of local.

3) The players that can use a deep space probe to weed out the signals they do not want to run deserve to do so -they spent the time to train for them. If you don't like it then I suggest you adjust your skill queue...

4) You'll never convince peeps to get out and explore low sec as long as it's possible to camp gates with insta-locking ships. Being able to avoid someone should be just as powerful as being able to pin someone down. Me thinks that the ability to warp while cloaked needs to be expanded, and I think that CCP is already taking steps to decrease remote sensor boosting. Gankers will cry about this one cause it will hurt their risk adverse PVP play style...

Discuss.




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Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2013-04-08 06:05:51 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
The risk in doing highsec exploation is that your site can be taken from you by a better pilot. A pilot who can scan the site down faster than you and blitz it better than you.

You don't like that? Tough. Train your skills, get a better ship, and beat them at their own game. Otherwise, HTFU.

TL;DR: Highsec exploration working as intended.


This.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#254 - 2013-04-08 08:58:41 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
Most of you are completely out to lunch and I couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread...

The real problem with low sec (and therefore low sec exploration) is the difference between a PVP fit ship and a PVE fit one. If you change the complexes so that they can be run in a ship that's fit more for PVP than PVE then the explorer has a better chance of defending themselves. As it stands now any PVE fit ship is a soft target for a PVP fit one.



I think this is a common misconception.

What actually makes running content "safe" in lowsec is either lack of others in the system you are running it in, lack of dangerous others in the system you are running it in, ability to identify dangerous others first in local, and secondarily if approaching (d-scan), or local superiority - ie the gatecamp nearby belongs to your corp, or all your corp members are at least in the surrounding lowsec area so you have intel about movements, and your corp mates historical tendency to dogpile on solo attackers has long since discouraged them.

The fit issue is a non issue, pvp fits will often fail to handle being shutdown by a recon and the recons cavalry subsequently jumping in to finish you off.
Kurt Saken
Star Cluster Wanderer
#255 - 2013-04-08 11:11:45 UTC
Risk vs reward is completely broken in EVE, and Tech 3 ships are too much for hi sec.
I live in a low class wspace system (C2) and the money here is terrible compared to other areas of the game. When i need iskies, i simply go to hi sec or to rat in null when i have the chance. Low effort for a very high reward.

So, i could run radars/mag sites or anoms in my system or in my low class static but for what... 5,10, 15 millions? I did it before but now i see it as a waste of time.
Why do that when you can go for a DED site in hi sec. And there are many sites. Honestly, I don't see where is the competion for the pot of gold here. Good scanning skills and practice also makes this easier.

I did yesterday 2 DED sites (3/10 and 4/10) in Caldari space with a cheap Tengu and i don't want to say what modules i found because that was simply ridiculous. Thanks for the loot, Mr. Pith and company.

Makavelia
National Industries
#256 - 2013-04-08 11:39:35 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
The risk in doing highsec exploation is that your site can be taken from you by a better pilot. A pilot who can scan the site down faster than you and blitz it better than you.

You don't like that? Tough. Train your skills, get a better ship, and beat them at their own game. Otherwise, HTFU.

TL;DR: Highsec exploration working as intended.


That is not risk... It's simply competition, a whole differant thing.

I don't even wanne explain to you what risk is since you seem to be far out of touch.


Some other players were talking about passive isk being ''risk free''. Yes, mostly it is. HS PI is risk free (unlikely suicide ganks aside) but the amount of isk you make for that on a solo toon?.. absolute balance. They use a lot of alts to even make that worth while, i dare say AFK mining would be bettter all things considered.

Low sec PI is better, but GL trasnporting M3 around with-ought a T2 hull. You are also at the mercy of players attacking the poco.. or ramping up the taxes on you. It also needs multiple charictors to bring in anything remotely like a real profit. That requires a lot of manegment and is not actualy ''passive'' isk in reality. You still need to get mass amounts of goods out of low sec and to a trade hub. It's far more work than HS exploration if you try to make low sec PI truly profitable.

Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2013-04-08 12:23:14 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Most of you are completely out to lunch and I couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread...

The real problem with low sec (and therefore low sec exploration) is the difference between a PVP fit ship and a PVE fit one. If you change the complexes so that they can be run in a ship that's fit more for PVP than PVE then the explorer has a better chance of defending themselves. As it stands now any PVE fit ship is a soft target for a PVP fit one.



I think this is a common misconception.

What actually makes running content "safe" in lowsec is either lack of others in the system you are running it in, lack of dangerous others in the system you are running it in, ability to identify dangerous others first in local, and secondarily if approaching (d-scan), or local superiority - ie the gatecamp nearby belongs to your corp, or all your corp members are at least in the surrounding lowsec area so you have intel about movements, and your corp mates historical tendency to dogpile on solo attackers has long since discouraged them.

The fit issue is a non issue, pvp fits will often fail to handle being shutdown by a recon and the recons cavalry subsequently jumping in to finish you off.


You're assuming that the explorer will have help, when a lot of explorers operate solo.

Granted that Ishtar you see in local could be bait, but you'd approach that pilot carefully if it was PVP fit irregardless of what the pilot was doing, and that pilot if PVP fit would have a much better chance against a solo threat.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#258 - 2013-04-08 16:28:56 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:

You're assuming that the explorer will have help, when a lot of explorers operate solo.

Granted that Ishtar you see in local could be bait, but you'd approach that pilot carefully if it was PVP fit irregardless of what the pilot was doing, and that pilot if PVP fit would have a much better chance against a solo threat.


I have no idea how you got to there from my post. I am saying that locals do content in areas that they defacto control by being resident pirates.

I find the notional concept "explorer" to be fairly misleading at times. Some probers that do probe-able content are roaming explorers, some are just probers. If you probe on islands for a while, you'll see the latter (and its an effective strategy).
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#259 - 2013-04-08 17:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Makavelia wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The risk in doing highsec exploation is that your site can be taken from you by a better pilot. A pilot who can scan the site down faster than you and blitz it better than you.

You don't like that? Tough. Train your skills, get a better ship, and beat them at their own game. Otherwise, HTFU.

TL;DR: Highsec exploration working as intended.


That is not risk... It's simply competition, a whole differant thing.

I don't even wanne explain to you what risk is since you seem to be far out of touch.


Some other players were talking about passive isk being ''risk free''. Yes, mostly it is. HS PI is risk free (unlikely suicide ganks aside) but the amount of isk you make for that on a solo toon?.. absolute balance. They use a lot of alts to even make that worth while, i dare say AFK mining would be bettter all things considered.

Low sec PI is better, but GL trasnporting M3 around with-ought a T2 hull. You are also at the mercy of players attacking the poco.. or ramping up the taxes on you. It also needs multiple charictors to bring in anything remotely like a real profit. That requires a lot of manegment and is not actualy ''passive'' isk in reality. You still need to get mass amounts of goods out of low sec and to a trade hub. It's far more work than HS exploration if you try to make low sec PI truly profitable.


It is a risk. You risk your time and effort, for the possiblity of no reward. You obviously only see risk as the possiblilty of losing your ship or pod.
Makavelia
National Industries
#260 - 2013-04-08 23:33:21 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The risk in doing highsec exploation is that your site can be taken from you by a better pilot. A pilot who can scan the site down faster than you and blitz it better than you.

You don't like that? Tough. Train your skills, get a better ship, and beat them at their own game. Otherwise, HTFU.

TL;DR: Highsec exploration working as intended.


That is not risk... It's simply competition, a whole differant thing.

I don't even wanne explain to you what risk is since you seem to be far out of touch.


Some other players were talking about passive isk being ''risk free''. Yes, mostly it is. HS PI is risk free (unlikely suicide ganks aside) but the amount of isk you make for that on a solo toon?.. absolute balance. They use a lot of alts to even make that worth while, i dare say AFK mining would be bettter all things considered.

Low sec PI is better, but GL trasnporting M3 around with-ought a T2 hull. You are also at the mercy of players attacking the poco.. or ramping up the taxes on you. It also needs multiple charictors to bring in anything remotely like a real profit. That requires a lot of manegment and is not actualy ''passive'' isk in reality. You still need to get mass amounts of goods out of low sec and to a trade hub. It's far more work than HS exploration if you try to make low sec PI truly profitable.


It is a risk. You risk your time and effort, for the possiblity of no reward. You obviously only see risk as the possiblilty of losing your ship or pod.


Shocking news guys, exploration is random income.

Guess what sherlock?.. low sec players ''lose'' all the false sence of (i own this plex) stuff you do.. but they also lose... (wait for it) SHIPS AND PODS.

You can stay in HS, with ammo cost covered, never lose anything. Risk my ass.