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carebears are scaring off noobs with boredom.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-04-07 18:49:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Polaris Sagan wrote:
So what you're saying is everyone who lives in hisec and preferes not to pvp is a carebear?

There's more to EVE than just shooting players. Not to mention that without 'carebears' the market price would be high, minerals up etc and no ships to buy when someone blows yours up.

For the record, I mine and manufacture. But I'm not afraid on jumping into a cheap frig to pvp with people should the situation arise...


Yes, if you don't pvp your a carebear.

If you don't want to pvp your risk averse, so your a carebear.


Your arguments against my post show your ignorance of the point I was trying to make and have nothing to do with what im arguing for.

I don't care if you keep being boring, just don't teach new players thats how you play when the AWESUM!11!!!!1 trailers show quite the opposite.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-07 18:53:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


These are the reasons they leave EvE and claim it sucks:

Antisocial. Labeling. Telling them THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY OR IT"S THE HIGHWAY. GTFO scrub!!!

That behavior is really going win friends and influence them. -_-

If a player doesn't want to PvP for the moment, who are you to dictate how he's going to spend his money and time? CCP has missions, and if he wants to do them, it's in the game for players to play.

Most gamers start small to learn the game. They don't jump headfirst into the deep pool. EvE isn't a "nice" game, and unless they get acquainted to it, they'll leave in a heartbeat.


What?
Are you serious? Antisocial labeling?

You leave the game because your bored.
5 hour mining ops, are boring.
Blowing things up, not boring.
Blowing up mindless red crosses, boring.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-04-07 19:06:36 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
You leave the game because your bored.
5 hour mining ops, are boring.
Blowing things up, not boring.
Blowing up mindless red crosses, boring.


I disagree with this because I think the PvP combat in eve is terrible. It's almost always completely one sided, there's never really a good fight involved. And the boredom factor of gate/wormhole/station camps where waiting hours on end for one insta-lock alpha killmail is considered 'fun.'

If I want fun combat PvP I generally log into GW2 or LoL, because in those games I don't have to wait hours on end to get into a fight, and the winner isn't determined before the first shot is even fired. I'm not even going to go into how lopsided ECM, logi, and fleet boosting alts make PvP.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-04-07 19:10:13 UTC
I made words on this topic some weeks back that I'd like to share with you. Rather than me copy/paste the entire thing, have this link.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-04-07 19:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
No, you're not "forcing" a playstyle on anyone. What you are doing is complaining that other folks are either not playing the way you want them to, or simply don't like EVE. It happens, DUH. Roll

-1 for being a silly troll, with a horrible "Hair Club For Men" follicular implant job. P

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Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-04-07 19:15:48 UTC
In EvE we're lead to believe we have choices.

If these new players choose a Corp that doesn't offer PVP and they came to EvE for PVP why aren't they finding another Corp? Maybe its because that's not what's on the forefront of their minds.

Maybe they are sheep and easily lead, either way, they lack the ability to make choices, as such EvE will not be the game for them ...maybe this is why they really leave.

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-04-07 19:23:10 UTC
The thing that at times turn me off EVE is aggresive PVPers who keep complaining about carebears.

It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing...that attitude is a much bigger problem than the carebears.
Let people play the way they want and stop complaining about everyone not playing like you.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-04-07 19:29:20 UTC
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:


It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing..



Then no ships, in fact no anything, get manufactured, and then you have no game at all. Jeez.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#29 - 2013-04-07 19:31:14 UTC
OP speaks the truth. The carebears and cowards have too loud a voice with new players, and I'm convinced it has a negative impact on subscriptions. There are plenty of fun things that new players can do in this game. Spending hours on end mining or running missions are not among them.

I got the idea in my head one day that I would go to one of the rookie systems and recruit a dozen or so noobs, give them each a Slasher, and take them out to lowsec to kill something or be killed trying. Instead I ended up being shouted down in local for an hour by the recruiters for these carebear corps, who accused me of trying to exploit new players and literally threatened to petition me for telling them that it was ok for them to PvP without having many millions of the SPs.

I myself wasted my first few months listening to these sorts of cowards, then ended up quitting EVE for six months out of boredom. I only came back when I decided it was time to say **** it and kill all the things. How many just think that EVE is boring and never come back, I wonder?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-04-07 19:35:09 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
OP speaks the truth. The carebears and cowards have too loud a voice with new players, and I'm convinced it has a negative impact on subscriptions. There are plenty of fun things that new players can do in this game. Spending hours on end mining or running missions are not among them.



Strange, when I was just starting I listened to nobody except when I had a specific question.

This is just chock full of assumptions here.

Some folks enjoy mining and mission running.

You just want a bunch of sheeple playing to personally keep you happy, that's all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Charlie Jacobson
#31 - 2013-04-07 19:37:07 UTC
I agree with the OP. My most enjoyable moment as a new player was when I attacked a can flipper and lost my ship. Don't listen to the fearmongers!

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-04-07 19:38:15 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
I agree with the OP. My most enjoyable moment as a new player was when I attacked a can flipper and lost my ship. Don't listen to the fearmongers!



Why do you want every player to be like you ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-04-07 19:41:43 UTC
Why is it that you believe everyone not PVPing is a coward?...maybe some people just enjoy it...why should they do something else than what they enjoy?

In many ways I love the eve community but in this regard...well...

If anyone is scaring away noobs, it's the "PVP in null sec or you're a coward!"-crowd.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2013-04-07 19:46:04 UTC
They do not realize that evading being a target and being destroyed for the longest possible length of time is also a legitimate form of gameplay strategy as well.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Charlie Jacobson
#35 - 2013-04-07 19:47:35 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
I agree with the OP. My most enjoyable moment as a new player was when I attacked a can flipper and lost my ship. Don't listen to the fearmongers!



Why do you want every player to be like you ?


I don't want every player to be like me. I just don't want any player to be scared of what EVE has to offer.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-04-07 19:49:04 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:


I don't want every player to be like me. I just don't want any player to be scared of what EVE has to offer.



Are they leaving because of terror or boredom then ?

How do you claim to know ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-04-07 19:50:37 UTC
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:
Why is it that you believe everyone not PVPing is a coward?...maybe some people just enjoy it...why should they do something else than what they enjoy?

In many ways I love the eve community but in this regard...well...

If anyone is scaring away noobs, it's the "PVP in null sec or you're a coward!"-crowd.

its fine if people are cowards in eve, just not when they bleat to have the rules changed to protect them in their cowardice
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-04-07 19:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cryxx Nadoa
Don't really think every new player that comes into the game is scared off.
I personally wanna try PVP, but I also enjoy doing missions and mining...I see no reason why I couldn't do all three things.

I also think that carebear is a very condesending word, mainly because it's used in a negative way.

But it's not like every miner in high sec wants that...also, there are low sec pvpers who want the game changed to fit their enjoyment.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2013-04-07 19:53:44 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:
Why is it that you believe everyone not PVPing is a coward?...maybe some people just enjoy it...why should they do something else than what they enjoy?

In many ways I love the eve community but in this regard...well...

If anyone is scaring away noobs, it's the "PVP in null sec or you're a coward!"-crowd.

its fine if people are cowards in eve, just not when they bleat to have the rules changed to protect them in their cowardice


OP's point is not that these players are trying to change the game, but that they don't want to PvP at all.

The fact that after a major change we still have extremely vulnerable Hulks illustrates CCP attitude towards this 'bleating'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#40 - 2013-04-07 20:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
My first corp was an academy, the advertised purpose of which was to train pilots for the null sec parent corp. About the time we started baiting can flippers and venturing into lowsec the corp was wardecced. The directors started making all these crazy proclamations with the intent of keeping the corp safe.

"No more going into lowsec or baiting flippers. We dont want blown up ships on our kill boards, it will make us targets!"

They were every bit as conflict averse as Teds OP makes these people out to be. And to say that they actively discouraged any kind of interaction with potential PvP players is a significant understatement.

However those of us who were interested in Eve for its Player v player interaction stayed in the game. We just left that corp and started our own.

I think anyone that comes into Eve and has the potential to stay will not be fooled by conflict averse dogma. The type of player who stays in Eve and engages in the PvP side of things must have patience and resilience and the ability to figure some things out on their own. The carebear blockade in the starter systems is actually a pretty good filter, people that don't belong in Eve wont make it past, sort of a "must be this tall to ride ride test."