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carebears are scaring off noobs with boredom.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-07 17:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.

Carebears are killing Eve by sucking up players and protecting them. "JOIN OUR CORP WE TEACH U TO PLAY" "OK GO COPY FITS OFF BATTLECLINIC AND NEVER EVER GO INTO THE PVP ZONE U DIE INSTANTLY." "HEY THIS WEEKEND WE GONNA RUN MINING OP IT FUN FOR 5 HOURS." "NEED ISK? ONLY WAY TO MAKE IS TO DO MORE MISSIONS, SALVAGE MY MISSIONS 4 ME K?"
"OH NO A WARDEC EVERYONE LOG OFF YOU WILL DIE."

It doesn't help that many of these corps lie about doing pvp, when in fact they are just a smaller chatroom and lower taxes than the npc corp.

discuss.

TL;DR
Carebears bore noobs and make them quit. Being risk averse isn't fun.
Some people like being carebears, whatever. Most people don't and that is why most noobs who enter Eve get bored by joining one of these corporations.

EDIT: Im not forcing my playstyle on anyway so save your tears, im just saying that new players aren't getting what they signed up for most the time when they leave the tutorial and find a highsec corp which leaves them with a bad taste in their mouth.

EDIT 2: Will you carebears stop rambling about how I want to force my playstyle on you and how im just a big meanie and actually understand the point im trying to make?

You bore new players and teach them to be highly risk averse, boring them.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-04-07 17:51:37 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer



Well, it does most indeed offer those things.

What do you think it had to offer ??

Also: -1/10

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-07 17:52:05 UTC
Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2013-04-07 17:53:27 UTC
ITT: npc corp alt talking about carebears.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2013-04-07 17:54:26 UTC
-1/10

Even carebears don't use Battleclinic.

You are also contributing to the CAP proliferation problem in EVE.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Polaris Sagan
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-07 18:03:34 UTC
So what you're saying is everyone who lives in hisec and preferes not to pvp is a carebear?

There's more to EVE than just shooting players. Not to mention that without 'carebears' the market price would be high, minerals up etc and no ships to buy when someone blows yours up.

For the record, I mine and manufacture. But I'm not afraid on jumping into a cheap frig to pvp with people should the situation arise...
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-04-07 18:06:37 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.


These are the reasons they leave EvE and claim it sucks:

Antisocial. Labeling. Telling them THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY OR IT"S THE HIGHWAY. GTFO scrub!!!

That behavior is really going win friends and influence them. -_-

If a player doesn't want to PvP for the moment, who are you to dictate how he's going to spend his money and time? CCP has missions, and if he wants to do them, it's in the game for players to play.

Most gamers start small to learn the game. They don't jump headfirst into the deep pool. EvE isn't a "nice" game, and unless they get acquainted to it, they'll leave in a heartbeat.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Polaris Sagan
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-07 18:11:47 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.


These are the reasons they leave EvE and claim it sucks:

Antisocial. Labeling. Telling them THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY OR IT"S THE HIGHWAY. GTFO scrub!!!

That behavior is really going win friends and influence them. -_-

If a player doesn't want to PvP for the moment, who are you to dictate how he's going to spend his money and time? CCP has missions, and if he wants to do them, it's in the game for players to play.

Most gamers start small to learn the game. They don't jump headfirst into the deep pool. EvE isn't a "nice" game, and unless they get acquainted to it, they'll leave in a heartbeat.


Don't bother reading my reply...This guy is saying what I tried to say. Only I waffled and fliberjabbed it haha
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-04-07 18:25:19 UTC
I don't believe carebears. it's just propaganda.

forums.  serious business.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-04-07 18:28:17 UTC
Sadly, i can only confirm this from what i know from plenty of new people.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-04-07 18:31:04 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.


These are the reasons they leave EvE and claim it sucks:

Antisocial. Labeling. Telling them THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY OR IT"S THE HIGHWAY. GTFO scrub!!!

That behavior is really going win friends and influence them. -_-

If a player doesn't want to PvP for the moment, who are you to dictate how he's going to spend his money and time? CCP has missions, and if he wants to do them, it's in the game for players to play.

Most gamers start small to learn the game. They don't jump headfirst into the deep pool. EvE isn't a "nice" game, and unless they get acquainted to it, they'll leave in a heartbeat.
And you totally miss the point.
Read it again and maybe, just maybe, you'll understand what the OP actually said.

Nobody is dictating anything. There *are* plenty of highsec corps out there who
ruin the game for people without these new people actually knowing this.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-07 18:31:14 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
ITT: npc corp alt talking about carebears.


look at my corp history.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-07 18:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Ace Uoweme wrote:

These are the reasons they leave EvE and claim it sucks:

Antisocial. Labeling. Telling them THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY OR IT"S THE HIGHWAY. GTFO scrub!!!

That behavior is really going win friends and influence them. -_-

If a player doesn't want to PvP for the moment, who are you to dictate how he's going to spend his money and time? CCP has missions, and if he wants to do them, it's in the game for players to play.

Most gamers start small to learn the game. They don't jump headfirst into the deep pool. EvE isn't a "nice" game, and unless they get acquainted to it, they'll leave in a heartbeat.


Most new players want to pvp, and the experience after the tutorial does not enable that. They get sucked into carebear corps.

Many carebear corps feature a culture of ignorance and hatred towards pvp, please see the exambles in the first post to see.

In recruitment chat most of the corporations that are based in hisec and claim to pvp are lying. This leaves noobs with a ****** taste in their mouth and doesn't encourage them to keep playing.

Risk is the most interesting part of this game and many training corps try and eliminate it like an overprotective yet ignorant mother.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#14 - 2013-04-07 18:36:19 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:


Most new players want to pvp, and the experience after the tutorial does not enable that. They get sucked into carebear corps.


Then the issue is with the tutorial and where it sends you afterwards, not the corps :)

Maybe if it taught people how to use the corp finder, there would be less of a problem...also if recruitment channel was not so awful
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-04-07 18:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ersahi Kir
My friends quit after we joined a wormhole alliance. The isk running sites was good, but I think the PvP part of covert cloak fleet trying to engage covert cloak fleet got boring after 6 hours of nothing. After a few weeks of wormhole ops they stopped logging in and moved on to other games.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-07 18:38:57 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:


Most new players want to pvp, and the experience after the tutorial does not enable that. They get sucked into carebear corps.


Then the issue is with the tutorial and where it sends you afterwards, not the corps :)

Maybe if it taught people how to use the corp finder, there would be less of a problem...also if recruitment channel was not so awful


Actually a large % of these carebear corps actively recruit new players saying they pvp, when in fact they do not at all. The problem in false advertising which is rampant.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-04-07 18:40:04 UTC
Those darn carebears at it again.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#18 - 2013-04-07 18:41:32 UTC
If I flame this straw man, will it burn?
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-07 18:43:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



Well, it does most indeed offer those things.

What do you think it had to offer ??

Also: -1/10


Fun?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-07 18:44:30 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
If I flame this straw man, will it burn?


How is it a strawman.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

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