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[GMVA] Villore Accords Declares System Capture Moratorium

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-05 16:10:22 UTC
Your statement makes it sound as if all New Eden is rejoicing at this news, which it is surely not.

But yes I'm sure more than one citizen, therefore citizen(s) were welcoming this new ridiculous situation.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2013-04-05 16:32:30 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.

For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step.
As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step.
May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.


It's because I don't get paid to participate in pointless nonsense such as this which translates effectively into, "We, the Villore Accords, having found ourselves wholly unable to establish control in the Enaluri system for the past month even after numerous massed daily atron waves will instead cite humanitarian and peaceful recourse as the explanation for continued abject failure to effect successful military operations in a system next door to our primary operations base in Nennamaila."

Some military experts might call this, trying to retreat with dignity and honour in the face of an enemy that unlike that font of strategic and tactical nous, Julianus Soter, can actually find success without throwing numbers at any and all problems on the frontlines.


Pilot Toluijin has the right of it. This is a first step, but it is a step we have made where others have not. Although I made the effort to bring this proposal to [GMVA] leadership for approval, I've seen similar suggestions made by Gallente and Caldari pilots alike. If the various Militia entities were to agree to withdraw behind their respective borders and limit their operations to the defense of their sovereignty it would certainly have an impact.

As for retreat from Enaluri, it would be remis of me not to acknowledge that Pyre Falcon and various others have been effective in defending that system. Much as LVLUP and JUSTK effectively defended Eha from sustained offensives by Evoke. It is not unheard of for small well organized units to be able to effectively employ harassment tactics in a system's defense. The difference here is that while Pyre Falcon is holding the fort in Enaluri, there is no Caldari offensive strength to threaten Gallente systems. As you have focused your efforts in that system, elsewhere the warzone has slipped from your grasp.

Shall we trust in your own peaceful intent that were we to cease keeping pressure on Enaluri that Pyre Falcon and others would not shift to an offensive role? I think not.

Hence:
Rinai Vero wrote:
To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone.


Enaluri will continue to be very much within the theater of war. GMVA forces will continue their operations against hostile Caldari forces in that system and every other.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#23 - 2013-04-05 17:09:33 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:


What episode was this?


Mr Ixiris was very thorough in proclaiming his Caldari-genocidal sentiments in the prelude to the battle for Home. He would go on to show extremely unstable behavior here in the Intergalactic Summit and in GalNet channels such as 'The Summit', feeling that he was justified in his desire to see all Caldari burn and that everybody else (who were ushering him to seek immediate psychiatric help) were in the wrong.

I don't mean to speak ill of the man, as I do not know him, and cannot judge him based on a temporary insanity. However, given these events, I feel that it is only fit for him to honorably step down from his military station.

If you wish for a more detailed transcription of his movements during this time, I would be happy to assist you in procuring the relevant logs.

Apologies for the digression. For Pilot Ixiris, I wish him good prospects and health for the future. To reiterate, I absolutely have no qualms with him, and I am sure that his aforementioned actions were outside of his control.


Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2013-04-05 18:30:09 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.

For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step.
As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step.
May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.


It's because I don't get paid to participate in pointless nonsense such as this which translates effectively into, "We, the Villore Accords, having found ourselves wholly unable to establish control in the Enaluri system for the past month even after numerous massed daily atron waves will instead cite humanitarian and peaceful recourse as the explanation for continued abject failure to effect successful military operations in a system next door to our primary operations base in Nennamaila."

Some military experts might call this, trying to retreat with dignity and honour in the face of an enemy that unlike that font of strategic and tactical nous, Julianus Soter, can actually find success without throwing numbers at any and all problems on the frontlines.


Pilot Toluijin has the right of it. This is a first step, but it is a step we have made where others have not. Although I made the effort to bring this proposal to [GMVA] leadership for approval, I've seen similar suggestions made by Gallente and Caldari pilots alike. If the various Militia entities were to agree to withdraw behind their respective borders and limit their operations to the defense of their sovereignty it would certainly have an impact.

As for retreat from Enaluri, it would be remis of me not to acknowledge that Pyre Falcon and various others have been effective in defending that system. Much as LVLUP and JUSTK effectively defended Eha from sustained offensives by Evoke. It is not unheard of for small well organized units to be able to effectively employ harassment tactics in a system's defense. The difference here is that while Pyre Falcon is holding the fort in Enaluri, there is no Caldari offensive strength to threaten Gallente systems. As you have focused your efforts in that system, elsewhere the warzone has slipped from your grasp.

Shall we trust in your own peaceful intent that were we to cease keeping pressure on Enaluri that Pyre Falcon and others would not shift to an offensive role? I think not.

Hence:
Rinai Vero wrote:
To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone.


Enaluri will continue to be very much within the theater of war. GMVA forces will continue their operations against hostile Caldari forces in that system and every other.


Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?

So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?

In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#25 - 2013-04-05 19:26:47 UTC
Let them come.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#26 - 2013-04-05 19:32:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?

So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?

In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.



As of 19:00 there are 16 vulnerable Caldari held systems, and 18 more that are contested above 95%. All but a handful of those are in Caldari territory. From what I've seen there are no State Protectorate forces currently capable of either preventing those systems from being taken, or recapturing them once they fall.

We, on the other hand, are more than organized enough to flip those systems if we choose to do so. We are choosing instead to let them remain under Caldari jurisdiction. Would you prefer that it was otherwise? I rather think your CEO would, as it fits better with her attempts to spin the Gallente Federation as agressors in this conflict.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2013-04-05 19:54:45 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?

So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?

In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.



As of 19:00 there are 16 vulnerable Caldari held systems, and 18 more that are contested above 95%. All but a handful of those are in Caldari territory. From what I've seen there are no State Protectorate forces currently capable of either preventing those systems from being taken, or recapturing them once they fall.

We, on the other hand, are more than organized enough to flip those systems if we choose to do so. We are choosing instead to let them remain under Caldari jurisdiction. Would you prefer that it was otherwise? I rather think your CEO would, as it fits better with her attempts to spin the Gallente Federation as agressors in this conflict.


Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the GMVA won't be flipping systems - but many of those systems have been vulnerable for a week or more. I'd just be more convinced if you moved over to defensive operations or left Black Rise entirely to focus on Placid/Verge Vendor.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Frozen Fallout
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#28 - 2013-04-05 21:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Frozen Fallout
Cant we all just get along and have fun killing each other in space :).

Let the humans count their dead we will count our kills!

No need to take your space we just want fun.

We need to take baby steps towards your freedom and we cant allow for you take everything back right away. If things go well maybe some day Black Rise can once again be Caldari.

I look forward to continuing working with Caldari to work towards the freedom they well deserve from under their overlords in the squid empire.

Freedom for all.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-04-05 22:37:00 UTC
Frozen Fallout wrote:
Cant we all just get along and have fun killing each other in space :).

Let the humans count their dead we will count our kills!

No need to take your space we just want fun.

We need to take baby steps towards your freedom and we cant allow for you take everything back right away. If things go well maybe some day Black Rise can once again be Caldari.

I look forward to continuing working with Caldari to work towards the freedom they well deserve from under their overlords in the squid empire.

Freedom for all.


Boosters are bad, mkay?

~Malcolm Khross

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#30 - 2013-04-07 11:30:18 UTC
Spotted a small detachment including GMVA pilots attempting to destroy the Akidagi hub yesterday.

Either empty gestures or an astonishing level of control over one's own pilots.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-04-07 11:58:46 UTC
Already told you.
Never trust a gallente.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#32 - 2013-04-07 16:02:36 UTC
The Akidagi system is not vulnerable at the moment. I assure you that the skirmish at the infrastructure hub was incidental and not an effort to seize the system, which has no strategic value for space forces.

It saddens me, however, that the Caldari seem so embittered in their intolerance and mistrust of Gallente, that for the past several days they have berated our representative publicly, and made no effort to assist our efforts to maintain a territorial freeze, by reciprocating our gesture.

The GMVA will continue to analyze the Caldari State response and await a positive reply from your constituent corporations to our overtures to stem the bloodshed.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-07 16:09:52 UTC
Well you cant really blame them for not trusting you Julianus, you are still trying to kill them.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#34 - 2013-04-07 16:19:05 UTC
I can't kill capsuleers, and those are the only people we are fighting.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#35 - 2013-04-07 16:19:45 UTC
Alot of fancy talk for thugs who still shoot down unarmed civilians just because they don't happen to be flying Gallente colors. Watched a non-Milita, unarmed Badger crack apart under a Catalyst's guns in Placid the other day. I am sure they would love to hear though about the cessation of IHub attacks in Caldari space though.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#36 - 2013-04-07 16:24:56 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Alot of fancy talk for thugs who still shoot down unarmed civilians just because they don't happen to be flying Gallente colors. Watched a non-Milita, unarmed Badger crack apart under a Catalyst's guns in Placid the other day. I am sure they would love to hear though about the cessation of IHub attacks in Caldari space though.


The militias themselves have horribly low standards of recruitment - much like your own organization - and will not punish offenders for piracy while enrolled in their ranks.

Also, for all you know the Badger in question could have been shot down for a variety of other reasons than base piracy. On the other hand, piracy and attacking random people is what your organization and the entity it supports DO. I smell a pot/kettle argument coming soon.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#37 - 2013-04-07 18:58:53 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
The Akidagi system is not vulnerable at the moment. I assure you that the skirmish at the infrastructure hub was incidental and not an effort to seize the system, which has no strategic value for space forces.

It saddens me, however, that the Caldari seem so embittered in their intolerance and mistrust of Gallente, that for the past several days they have berated our representative publicly, and made no effort to assist our efforts to maintain a territorial freeze, by reciprocating our gesture.

The GMVA will continue to analyze the Caldari State response and await a positive reply from your constituent corporations to our overtures to stem the bloodshed.


Empty words it is, then.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#38 - 2013-04-07 19:39:57 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Alot of fancy talk for thugs who still shoot down unarmed civilians just because they don't happen to be flying Gallente colors. Watched a non-Milita, unarmed Badger crack apart under a Catalyst's guns in Placid the other day. I am sure they would love to hear though about the cessation of IHub attacks in Caldari space though.


The militias themselves have horribly low standards of recruitment - much like your own organization - and will not punish offenders for piracy while enrolled in their ranks.

Also, for all you know the Badger in question could have been shot down for a variety of other reasons than base piracy. On the other hand, piracy and attacking random people is what your organization and the entity it supports DO. I smell a pot/kettle argument coming soon.


Actually, any member caught shooting a neutral industrial ship would be severely punished.

We have ways of enforcing our rules, after all.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2013-04-07 20:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
BloodBird wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Alot of fancy talk for thugs who still shoot down unarmed civilians just because they don't happen to be flying Gallente colors. Watched a non-Milita, unarmed Badger crack apart under a Catalyst's guns in Placid the other day. I am sure they would love to hear though about the cessation of IHub attacks in Caldari space though.


The militias themselves have horribly low standards of recruitment - much like your own organization - and will not punish offenders for piracy while enrolled in their ranks.

Also, for all you know the Badger in question could have been shot down for a variety of other reasons than base piracy. On the other hand, piracy and attacking random people is what your organization and the entity it supports DO. I smell a pot/kettle argument coming soon.


Actually, any member caught shooting a neutral industrial ship would be severely punished.

We have ways of enforcing our rules, after all.


Sansha moderates ?

I find it confusing. Are you still supporting Sansha Nation, the one following Kuvakei ?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-04-07 21:01:24 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
The Akidagi system is not vulnerable at the moment. I assure you that the skirmish at the infrastructure hub was incidental and not an effort to seize the system, which has no strategic value for space forces.


Calling your bluff, Soter. I was in the system at the time. It was vulnerable and the I-Hub was being engaged, I promise you this. I also promise you that the efforts of a few Caldari Militia pilots in securing emergency strategical points helped reinforce the hub and prevent it from being further engaged.

Julianus Soter wrote:
It saddens me, however, that the Caldari seem so embittered in their intolerance and mistrust of Gallente, that for the past several days they have berated our representative publicly, and made no effort to assist our efforts to maintain a territorial freeze, by reciprocating our gesture.


Here's a gesture for you to reiterate: mine. Pull all your forces back behind the YC 110 established sovereignty lines and surrender every system you've captured back to the State. Operate in an entirely defensive stance, defending Federal systems and not crossing them.

The only time I have ever crossed Federal lines is on my way to the Intaki system to provide support and supplies to them as I have a standing oath and contract of support for them.

Julianus Soter wrote:
The GMVA will continue to analyze the Caldari State response and await a positive reply from your constituent corporations to our overtures to stem the bloodshed.


We're still awaiting something worth responding positively to.

~Malcolm Khross