EVE General Discussion

And it do so well after...


It took a mass log off to get CCP to give us a sizable portion of what we have been asking for for years. Engine trails were suddenly "feasible" again, along with a whole host of other additions... no CSM required.

Funny you should say that, I seem to recall the CSM's of that time period being particularly rude, close minded and down right insulting to us paying customers. I certainly don't remember being "calmed down" I in fact recall being told by a particular CSM that they are not employed by CCP (and thus do not represent CCP directly) and because of that they were entitled to basically tell me to go **** myself.

When I pointed out that their words were representing this company, they disagreed.



Funny enough, you will notice now that they are being far more respectful and diplomatic these days. All it took was a certain someone mentioning suicide in-front of sony game executives to make CCP force them to agree.



The CSM had nothing to do with CCP fixing eve with the post Incarna expansion, nor did they have a hand in calming us down. CCP made us leave with a broken patch, CCP made us come back by un-breaking it. Taking this change in paradigm out of the hands of EVE's population and attempting to give the CSM credit for it, is, quite frankly, insulting. It was back then, and it is still now.


CSM's did not organize the Jita protest.
They did not occupy Jita and all major market hubs.
They did not organize the substantial decline in subscriptions.
They did not make us sub or resub.

Nor did they prevent the various failures leading up to Incarna in the first place, which would have prevented all of the above from happening at all. Duh? I mean, isn't that part of the reason why they are there? To anticipate what we, the consumer, wants and to give realistic feedback?




Thus... they did absolutely nothing but **** people like me off.

from the CSM?

I will just quote

And I quote:

Where as some of us say same **** different day.

I think we have already established that since I stay home on election-day I get to complain as loudly and as often as I want about the mess that you and the people that you voted for make


Also, get less angry and spend more time concocting more valid/logical counter arguments. You will find your time on the eve forums more enriching.

Finally, someone else sees it.

CSM is a layer of government that doesn't actually do things to improve the game (well, that's not their intention for having some game power, it's to game the system for their advantage or pet ideas. CCP allows it because they keep the players deluded in any sense of real power). It keeps the game status quo and stagnate.

Essentially this is what SOE once had with their booster club, which in turn got scuttled due to the same game interference CCP did with helping BoB and more (the whole Aeralik scandal was a mess or messes). It's designed as a way to hype/promote a game according to how CCP wants it, with an illusion of some control (as those who run are control freaks and have egos to match...just look at the arrogance of some of the current CSMs running for examples).

So seen it before, and in the end the same history is repeating itself, in yet another niche game.

Want to see real changes that matter. Practical changes that dovetail in improving the game for more actual new players...not more alts for vets (a stagnate community).

Because it is. The lipstick is a different color, but a pig is still a pig. Other games had/have the same booster club, and it turns out the same: Egos amok, status quo alive, game is stagnate, and overrun by bots (I quit WoW to get away from the bots in the BGs, LFR and even dungeons now, thinking no macros in EvE = no multibox software. Wrong! It's okay to have THOSE macros).

Look at the canvas. Look were this is all going. CCP profitting, yet the game is but alts and bots (how many actual new players play EvE each day? Not many, it's vets who keep adding more accounts). And players seem oblivious to it all, as they're seeing their tiny corner of the painting and careless of the overall picture...and how ugly it is.

I GOT MINE!!!

As a dumb "whale".

If you want the same o' same o' bot filled and alt filled games, keep voting. Tail chasing is fun, huh?

You should watch more George Carlin on youtube Mr. Doom, he has already trumped all of your counter arguments quite nicely. Doing so again here would only be redundant.


"Vote"
"Your choice matters"
"Save the earth/gaming universe"


In the words of the all knowing comedian, EVE was bought and sold a long time ago. It's real owners like the way things are, and they do not want a player population composed of educated critical thinkers. They want players who will keep paying a sub as they bend over and take it, and they want players like you who think that whoever they vote for on CSM day will matter a damn one way or the other.


Jokes on you bud.

So you have no attachment to the game, and believe that minor unsubbing over a short period effects a companies long term prospects.

As to blizzards arrogance, remind me again how much money they make a month off a game they designed with the expectation of around 300,000 subscribers?