EVE General Discussion

Ten people, out of THOUSANDS ...

Thanks for displaying what's wrong with most people nowadays.
Yes, i'm talking about you.

Then don't allow them to do so.

One the major problems in EvE is they don't have the Battle.net system, where accounts are linked.

So instead of being so negative, think of SOLUTIONS.

How are you to be a CSM is you're not even trying to be innovative and original???

Bounty hunting like all features seems to be a blobbing mechanic.

At least what I have observed so far, everything in Eve boils down to The Blob when PvP is involved a lot of the time.

If somebody is suspect and hanging around, well, you can bet there is more people nearby ready to assist.

I think when somebody has been bountied by a lot of isk AND by a lot of players, they should not be safe, anywhere in empire, there should be a risk of being wanted by a LARGE number of players.


I honestly think the current state of Eve online (without Walking In Stations) is really at the "Beat the Dead Donkey" phase of its lifetime. A ten year old game, struggled to get its customers to accept a badly implemented change, failed. Now it is trying to add more features that are badly thought out, half implemented and/or buggy.

Do Walking In Stations, do a big game changer, or just keep limping along, which is what Eve is doing now (and CCP).

It is like that Limp home mode that cars have.

It is in survival mode ( and so is CCP ).

Kind of backs up my original point then that the situation is ridiculous.

I need say no more. :)

No unwanted side-effects?? Sorry but after reading the responses I have to disagree with that..

Unwanted side-effect, miners being bountied and killed legally simply because they can be. .. Is killing miners, (who in a way keep the economy of eve rolling) really what the bounty system is for? Being able to put a bounty on a miner simply because he is a miner really defeats the purpose of bounties. A bounty should only be able to be placed for legitimate reasons. "I don't like miners" or "it's fun killing miners" should not be reason for bounties. Keep killing miners = prices for ships etc keep going up..

Unwanted side-effect, outlaws still freely roam where-ever when-ever they like, most of the time unchallenged. Having low security status should have consequences (that mean something).. Having an alt who spends a lot of time in lowsec (with positive sec) it is funny watching the constant flow of -3s and -4s come in to spend a day or 2 getting sec back so they can go into higher security systems "where the ganking is easier" (quote from 1 in particular I have come to know due to his many visits)

Nice we can all go sit in trade hubs because that is where most of the top 10 live. Oh hangon, they are market whores and scammers who never undock, crap. Nice idea but yeah, not much help if they never undock. Another problem with the current system is, even if a player has a large enough bounty to be worth hunting, how do you do it without Concord intervention? The current system does not allow anyone to just kill for bounties, the person has to either have a suspect or criminal flag. Player posted bounties can be put on by anybody at any time, simply flying through a system can get you a bounty from some random player with too much isk and time on their hands.

[quoteWhat I would like to see in the bounty system was similar to the old crime and punishment.
100m for x amount of kills of same target for x amount of time.
] [/quote] Any bounty system can be exploited. If you have to kill X - Y amount of times to claim a 100 mil bounty, you just find a quiet system and keep undocking in rookie ships, which are provided free each time you dock up. So no cost at all to the victim and 50 mil a piece at the end.

I know my idea on bounties is not "the" answer and that is why I would like to see other ideas. Just saying "it's better than it was" is ok but for bounty hunting to become a viable profession the system needs a lot of work. We have our CSM's, maybe if as a player base we put together a workable bounty system they could present it to CCP and have it implemented.

It seems some have either misread my original post or not read it at all, just responded to the title without reading the actual post. My "example" for Concord bounties, was just that and example. Probably more appropriate would have been 5 mil isk for -1, 7.5 mil isk for -2 and so on. The Concord bounty would only be paid to a registered bounty hunter. Example; you go to a station click on agent finder and register with a "Bounty Hunter" agent. From there you go out and find a target, kill the target then return to a station with a bounty hunter agent and the kill-mail is handed in to the agent for payment of the concord bounty. Yes it is as exploitable as ever but would be one way to make bounty hunting into an eve profession.
My aim for the thread was to look at bounty hunting as a profession not for the "I got a bounty in a blob" situation. At the moment, there is no way to be a legitimate bounty hunter (in empire space)

Oh please. Try moving a few jumps away from the big trade hubs and newbie systems. I fly through dozens of systems on a regular basis that are full of rocks every single time.

Hey Guys.

Firstly I think the new bounty system is far better then the old but still needs a few tweaks.

How's this for an idea (really just thinking out loud so don't flame me to hard).

The issue of non active pvpers sitting in stations and trading with no intention of unlocking looking l33t with a 4Bil bounty is an issue for me (especially as most of the isk is placed by alts)

How about... players need to actively participate in PVP to retain the bounty (and ePeen). Assuming that they haven't killed a player for 7 days, a percentage of the bounty cascades down to the next player on the list..

That way bounties will arrive on active pirates/pvpers (eventually) making the system more valid.

This should enable the bounty hunting profession to exist as only active players will carry the bounty.

This I like... The fact that then you can broker a contract of terms with another player for bounty hunting. People would make a proffession out of it and bounty hunters could be headhunted.

I believe that Crimson Kaim (unsure whether thats his name) already does it like that. He provides his service to kill other player, has a forum thread and website dedicated to it. He bounty hunts how you're describing.

The good thing about the new system, is that it works.

The bad thing about the new system, is that its kinda pointless.

I always thought that the bounty system would be something that law abiding citizens could use as a viable means to get back at those that flaunt the law. Afterall, most of the victims of highsec ganking are the types that are unwilling and/or unable to get revenge. So, the bounty system should allow them to be able to get retribution, via cold, hard isk. However, as it stands, everyone has a bounty now, your sec-status and how good or evil you are is completely irrelevant. Its completely killed the possibility of bounty hunters being a viable profession, and has instead reduced it to a simple bonus in isk to your kills. The killmails you recieve only highlight this further. So and so has been killed, and this much bounty has been collected. Can you feel like you've directly contributed to that kill? No. He's just been randomly killed by another random. That satisfaction of knowing that your bountied enemies death was in part due to your isk, doesn't exist. I now don't see any point in putting bounties on anyone.

To gankers, things couldn't be more perfect. Now they get more isk from their kills, and a little more off the cost of their ship-loss. Add to that additional means to encourage people to try to shoot them in highsec, and you've got a win, win, win for gankers. The otherside of the coin is their victims. Is there any point in putting a bounty of them in return? I'd say doing so is exactly what they want. Most of them see large bounties as a badge of honor.

In my opinion, bounties should only be possible on those that are clearly unwilling to follow the laws of the empires. But as it stands, everyone is wanted. I hope CCP continue to add to the foundations of the bounty hunter changes, and ultimately finally create the possibility for players to actively become bounty hunters, rather than it being nothing more than an irrelevant additional payout on kills.

You're confusing two different systems. What you're asking for exists and does indeed make bounty-hunting a viable profession.

If you want earn cash by avenging poor hapless gank victims, you activate their killrights and take the bounty as your payment. If you just want to kill people for the bounty, you just do the maths whether attacking them will be worth it or not.

The bounty system was very specifically not designed to have anything to do with people's ability to attack each other — it is only a payment scheme. A completely different module (in fact, two of them) deals with the matters of attacking people.

That doesn't make much sense. Bounties have nothing to do with the empires (which explains why they also don't have anything to do with the legality of attacking people). They are simply a price on someone's head — a deal between players. Criminals can put a price on someone's head just as well as law-abiding citizens.