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Why your CSM8 vote doesn't matter...

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#81 - 2013-04-06 12:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is.


Your vote in the CSM Election was anonymously registered at 06.04.2013 00:59:04.

I can now complain about everything till the next vote right?

Yes

You've demonstrated greater than minimum detectable give-a-shite. Makes you part of the solution - Or at least someone willing to try.
Cool

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Dave Stark
#82 - 2013-04-06 14:04:33 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is.


Your vote in the CSM Election was anonymously registered at 06.04.2013 00:59:04.

I can now complain about everything till the next vote right?


provided you do it in a constructive and well thought out manner, whine away!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#83 - 2013-04-06 17:14:43 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Well since you're actively supporting the goonswarm campaign by discouraging people to vote for other candidates, I'm going to go with stupid.

Let me know when you've internalised the revolutionary concept of judging ideas on their merits, rather than their source.


Careful, if you keep pointing out all of the flaws in his logic his fuzzy little head might explode from the stress.


Then he'll vote after screaming PEENCH
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#84 - 2013-04-06 18:23:03 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Because you didn't vote.
Now go vote &make it matter P



Do you honestly believe that the CSMs have any say or influence at all? I would just love to be the interviewer reading someones CV that had "I was a CSM in EvE" listed as an accomplishment. Roll

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Artctura
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2013-04-06 19:05:56 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Because you didn't vote.
Now go vote &make it matter P



Do you honestly believe that the CSMs have any say or influence at all? I would just love to be the interviewer reading someones CV that had "I was a CSM in EvE" listed as an accomplishment. Roll



Did you completely miss CSM6? Monocle gate? The fact that CCP called the CSM to Iceland to talk face to face about what they did wrong and how to fix it?

Artctura for CSM 2013
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#86 - 2013-04-06 19:13:41 UTC
Artctura wrote:
Domina Trix wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Because you didn't vote.
Now go vote &make it matter P



Do you honestly believe that the CSMs have any say or influence at all? I would just love to be the interviewer reading someones CV that had "I was a CSM in EvE" listed as an accomplishment. Roll



Did you completely miss CSM6? Monocle gate? The fact that CCP called the CSM to Iceland to talk face to face about what they did wrong and how to fix it?


It's always funny how the CSM takes credit for things that were spread over the forums and other sources far and wide before any of them came into the picture. The CSM is a pure PR and Marketing tool, nothing else.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
stoicfaux
#87 - 2013-04-06 20:53:39 UTC
Chribba wrote:
No abstain option... how interesting...

Pfffft. The election announcement is "hidden" in a dev blog. Nothing on the eve home page, no in game email, nothing on the Eve Gate home page, the CSM candidate selection is mentioned in passing at the bottom of an email, etc.. It's almost like CCP doesn't want the majority of its players to vote.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Artctura
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2013-04-06 21:00:16 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Artctura wrote:
Domina Trix wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Because you didn't vote.
Now go vote &make it matter P



Do you honestly believe that the CSMs have any say or influence at all? I would just love to be the interviewer reading someones CV that had "I was a CSM in EvE" listed as an accomplishment. Roll



Did you completely miss CSM6? Monocle gate? The fact that CCP called the CSM to Iceland to talk face to face about what they did wrong and how to fix it?


It's always funny how the CSM takes credit for things that were spread over the forums and other sources far and wide before any of them came into the picture. The CSM is a pure PR and Marketing tool, nothing else.


If that's what you believe, then why not change it?

Go out and stand behind the CSM, participate in their information gathering and unite behind them, regardless of who they are, so that they can become more?

The view you take of the CSM only exists because comments like these reduce the ability of the CSM to be an effective representation of the player base.

And let me ask you a simple question. What do you think CCP will be influenced more by? The people they bring to specifically spend face time with them, or someone posting on a forum.

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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#89 - 2013-04-06 21:07:51 UTC
Quote:
And let me ask you a simple question. What do you think CCP will be influenced more by? The people they bring to specifically spend face time with them, or someone posting on a forum.


If those are the only two choices then people posting on the forums would be a better choice. The CSMs will simply ignore anything that isn't something they want or like.

Example: A CSM from Goon or New Order is unlikely to bring concerns from hi-sec miners to the attention of CCP .

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-04-06 21:30:55 UTC
Artctura wrote:
And let me ask you a simple question. What do you think CCP will be influenced more by? The people they bring to specifically spend face time with them, or someone posting on a forum.


Unless you're in one of the voting blocs that wields enough power to put a candidate in the Top 2, you no longer have any chance to choose who goes to Iceland, so that point is moot :v

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Artctura
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2013-04-06 21:34:16 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
Quote:
And let me ask you a simple question. What do you think CCP will be influenced more by? The people they bring to specifically spend face time with them, or someone posting on a forum.


If those are the only two choices then people posting on the forums would be a better choice. The CSMs will simply ignore anything that isn't something they want or like.

Example: A CSM from Goon or New Order is unlikely to bring concerns from hi-sec miners to the attention of CCP .


And why would you believe that? EVE is an unbelievable complex market system. A concern of a majority of high sec miners (Not just 1 or 2 people complaining on the forums, but a true large number of people) is going to affect the null sec supply chain. It's going to affect industrialists. It's going to affect the guy flying a caracal for DBRB.

Will they be as adept at presenting the ideas and developing solutions on their own, without the high sec mining communities input? No. But if the high sec mining community engages their CSM, regardless of what they specialize in, they can present a far better case then simply posting on forums.

If you believe that the CSM will simply ignore a large portion of the community because of where they call home, there is little I can say to convince you otherwise, but rest assured, my experience, and should I be elected, my term, will not be a case of ignoring groups of players that don't live in the same portion of space I do.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2013-04-06 21:35:04 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Because you didn't vote.
Now go vote &make it matter P



Do you honestly believe that the CSMs have any say or influence at all? I would just love to be the interviewer reading someones CV that had "I was a CSM in EvE" listed as an accomplishment. Roll


We are getting a POS update are we not?
Artctura
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2013-04-06 21:35:18 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Artctura wrote:
And let me ask you a simple question. What do you think CCP will be influenced more by? The people they bring to specifically spend face time with them, or someone posting on a forum.


Unless you're in one of the voting blocs that wields enough power to put a candidate in the Top 2, you no longer have any chance to choose who goes to Iceland, so that point is moot :v


True, but even the non summit members of the CSM will have greater influence with CCP then the average forum poster.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-04-06 21:39:35 UTC
Artctura wrote:
True, but even the non summit members of the CSM will have greater influence with CCP then the average forum poster.


Considering the average forum poster has zero influence, that's not saying very much.

baltec1 wrote:
We are getting a POS update are we not?


Only because of a threadnought from a CSM member who had to defy the council's wishes and bring the issue directly to the massed playerbase on the forums. If Two Step would have left the issue with the CSM we'd have **** to show for it.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2013-04-06 21:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Snow Axe wrote:


Only because of a threadnought from a CSM member who had to defy the council's wishes and bring the issue directly to the massed playerbase on the forums. If Two Step would have left the issue with the CSM we'd have **** to show for it.


So they made a difference.

Which is why we need all the more votes to get more smart people into the CSM and not clueless bears who have never done anything other than missions and mining in high sec.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-04-06 21:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


Allow me to reassure you that voting for me won't make any of those problems worse than they already are.

Now go participate. What are you so scared of?



Eternum's View On CSM Voting (Time index 1:40)


"I on the other hand, who did not vote--whom in fact did not even leave the house on election day--am in no way responsible for what these people have done and I have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess that they created that you helped them make and that I had nothing to do with"

...and I am sure after the election is over EVE will improve immediately.






Signed, with all of my heart.
**** you Malcanis Big smile

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#97 - 2013-04-06 22:05:52 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

**** you Malcanis Big smile


Any time, sweetness.

Now go vote or I'll have everything that you ever loved flying nerfed.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#98 - 2013-04-06 22:40:28 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems.


Allow me to reassure you that voting for me won't make any of those problems worse than they already are.

Now go participate. What are you so scared of?



Eternum's View On CSM Voting (Time index 1:40)


"I on the other hand, who did not vote--whom in fact did not even leave the house on election day--am in no way responsible for what these people have done and I have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess that they created that you helped them make and that I had nothing to do with"

...and I am sure after the election is over EVE will improve immediately.






Signed, with all of my heart.
**** you Malcanis Big smile

If you choose not to vote for the CSM, how can you complain when the game changes to something you do not like.

For every person who does not vote weakens the power of the CSM in the eyes of CCP.

So not only do your actions effect your right to complain, they also effectively lower the power of the CSM.

So the argument, I will not vote as the CSM has no power is circular and has no meaning.

So get off your lazy butt and vote.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-04-06 23:33:44 UTC
Do away with the CSM, do EVE a favor.

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Frying Doom
#100 - 2013-04-06 23:54:08 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do away with the CSM, do EVE a favor.

Yes because EvE worked so well before the CSM came into existance.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!