EVE General Discussion

There is that "solo pve ship" statement again....

We have no arenas...we have eve..welcome

"You like blobing against a single pve ship? If so, then you are a carebear. Period"

I love killing solo pve ships! it pays the bills.

So all pirates are carebears?

Are you trying to say EVE needs to be a Free for all MMO without any teaming up allowed?

If you were in 0.0 you'd blame Goons blobbing your fleet all the time...

That "so-simple-minded" poster is me, there was no need for the insult, poor as it was. I'm not a ship based PvP player by any means, this is my main, I trade, I mine, I sell corps, I shoot at NPCs, I make stuff that explodes and sell it to people who like explosions. I'll admit to having an alt with a few kills that indulges in the odd bit of asshattery, but it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, my main activity.

I simply stated a fact, PvP is Player vs Player, as per the commonly accepted definition, regardless of whether or not one of those players is prepared for it. When you undock, you consent to your ship and possibly your pod being violated, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, that's the nature of playing a multiplayer PvP game, especially one where the Devs believe, and have categorically stated, that being able to ruin somebody's day is a cornerstone of the game, regardless of system security level.

Maybe I've been spoilt, I've never played another MMO longterm, Eve was my first, so the status quo is the norm for me, and has been for nearly 4 years, I had no preconceptions from other MMOs coming into Eve, I had 4 trials before it finally hooked me so I knew what I was letting myself in for.

If you don't like the way the game is with regards to the open PvP environment, don't undock. There are plenty of other games that cater to your tastes complete with PvE arenas and the like, stop trying to water ours down.

Just to clarify, I would love to see Eve become more popular among gamers, but not at the expense of what we already have and the essence of what Eve is. It's not for everyone, it's a niche game and CCP accept that, I'd go as far as to say that they're happy with fulfilling that niche market, people who fall into the niche are long term players who are willing to put both considerable time and money into Eve.

I don't think that there's many gamedevs out there that can boast that they have steadily increased their subscription rates over 10 years (aside from the Incarna fallout), yet still retain a considerable number of people who've played since beta. I believe other MMOs have a much higher churn rate than Eve, I know I've tried a couple since I started here, especially after Incarna urinated in the pot, and tbh, they failed to hold my attention.

Just to use your signature. A sandbox just means unscripted play within an environment that governs certain rules.

For example GTA is a sandbox game.

Right. Which means what, Frying?

One color. One size. One idea isn't "unscripted".

Society will group up, and by nature alone, want their environment the way they like it. They will try to dictate by culture an identity. And by doing so, it's no longer the "sandbox". It's turf protecting an identity of how it's culture likes/prefer to play. Carry it too far, it becomes a problem seen in many niche games, it becomes a ghetto. Oblivious to anything but it's own identity, culture and mores.

A 1984 (or for that matter, a Clockwork Orange) world.

Maybe you prefer the security of double speak and milk, others prefer a more healthy and vibrant world, so a "sandbox" can actually exist.

Talking what it is and what it becomes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhBmXKKYq1E

Hey, you're missing a great part of all of this -- actually...like...listen.

But how is a landslide suppose to reach us in EVE? landslides can't go to space?????

"Then there came a day
Man, packed up, flew off from the planet
He went to the moon, to the moon
To, to the moon, the moon
now he's out in space
Hey, fixing all the problems
He comes face to face with God"

Sounds like we are doing good so far.

This must be one of those, things are too perfect so its obvious wrong type of things.

Actually for the most part I've seen companies grabbing as much money as they can by constantly churning through subscribers or going pay to win/f2p. I tried a couple of other MMOs since starting Eve, they were uninspiring and failed to hold my attention for more than a week or so, bland dev content (CCPs dev content isn't much better), poor player created content (this is where Eve really shines, and it more than makes up for the dev content), colourful and childish graphics, and apparent lack of depth, none of which appeals to me.

I'm no fly by night gamer, I've been playing computer games for over thirty years, I've seen companies come and go, I've seen fantastic games and their devs consumed by the likes of Electronic Arts and Blizzard, who promptly either kill them off or dumb them down to the lowest common denominator and constantly regurgitate them because of money.

CCP are doing something right, they have a very dedicated and enthusiastic long term player base who are prepared to go out of their way to help CCP survive the next ten years. CCP are fairly unique in the gaming industry, they're small fry compared to the behemoths, yet they have managed to produce an extremely addictive and cut throat game that regularly makes mainstream non gaming press headlines. They've managed to attract an older generation of gamer, a substantial amount of which remembers the long gone days when innovation and challenge was king in gaming.

If you don't like Eve for what it is, why are you playing it? Don't like the status quo? then unsub and tell CCP why in the feedback form.

Please stop trying to water down the game we have, and find something else that is more to your taste. You don't see Eve players going to other games and demanding that they change to the Eve model, why do players of other games come to Eve and demand that it changes to the "insert random title" model?.