Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First off; Thanks for the civil tone.

I am well aware that WH space is very liked by the 5% populating them.
That means 4 times more live in null and 15 times that live in empire.

I would say WH population needs to double in size and a way to do this is bring something different.

The size of things players have managed to bring into WH is a bit above and beyond what I believe it was initially build for.

Next people will want more, STATIONs or building CAPS..

I see this as a natural development, but would prefer letting it be part of something with a few new mechanics and a novel aspect of narrative.

Introducing a whole new concept with Phase Space, that I also linked a littel explanation on. The space "around" the wormholes. Like the dough in the loaf description in cosmology seems to fit well in EVE concepts.

Also the fact that a lot have been asking for stabilizers and something along those lines for a long time, this would suit their needs, while playing into the expertise of current WH denizens.

It would be "easier" to access then WH and could attract people bored with null and the explorative kind from empire, that still is not ready for the masive logistics in WH space.

With the coming exploration and scanner changes something like this would most likely be exactly what is needed to spread players around more, and give space and motivation to new ventures.

Maybe we might be getting a lot of new blood coming in from the success of DUST. Where do we put these players? The universe is not as empty as it was 3-4 years ago.

How do we bind people and activities together when they spread "thinner" in space? I think Phase Space would be an excellent way to glue things together, without breaking anyones game.

Wrote a post, but it didn't send and now I've lost it. But Raptors Mole has summed up pretty much what I said beautifully!

I find it amusing that the very idea you're proposing, would actually work against your intents of bringing more life to wormhole space. The only outcome of any stabilizer type of idea is easier time sieging out small corps, the carebear corps, people who look like they could have juicy loot, people who just happen to be there when you're bored enough... Get the idea yet?

That will resolve absolutely nothing regarding this. While people in w-space might have alts to do science, industry, PI and so on and so on...the people who are here for the pew will continue being in it for the pew. The people who want to take a dump in your sandbox will continue taking a dump in your sandbox and by making it possible for them to keep bringing more without the need to roll for new connections for the same system, you're essentially making drive by sieges extremely easy. It would also make actual fights even more scarce simply by allowing you to bring more capitals and that way the blobbing would become even worse than it already is in some fights.

In short, neither of your idea would work towards what you think it does.

No, time after time it has been proven that those people who refuse to fight, will resort to self destructing everything they own rather than bringing that fight. If they're not there defending what is theirs now, they wont suddenly start doing it if you make it even harder for them.

While I don't have much sympathy for those who just carebear around in w-space, it'd still be a shame to allow something like that happen as all it results in, is those smaller corps getting bent over in favor of those who are already stronger. That's what the situation is in null already, we don't want that and the game doesn't become any better if you introduce that, on the contrary.

I think I was pretty precise in the estimated needed number of new systems about 500 to add to the existent 2500 or so.

Bringing the population up to double its size would be expected with a lot more options to work from docked systems, and increased interest from null and the need to defend higher valued entities. Also the added aspect of exploration and maintaining the routes would support a doubling. (I think this is an example of supporting my idea with arguments and premises)

The fact that WH space is already pretty full as you say, I think I already mentioned as an argument for bringing something new like this to WH space, and add new systems.

I am sure if you read the thread and the replies, you should not end up feeling this concept takes away something from WH space, it actually add to it. True it would change the dynamic a lot, but the fundamental value of the experience and the modes of operation would much remain the same.

Well from other thread around the eve-o I am pretty sure I am not the only one that want these things. I might be the only one currently in the forum that want these things, because the people that do are not in WH exactly because of its current shortcomings. I guess here the counter will be well then they should just stay out, or try it the way it is to change their minds, and see that it works fine. That could be true, but I see no reason why some of the things people envision should not be considered. EVE needs to bring new things to the game, and not just tweak things.

As to the civility tone. My point was to ask questions and get a discussion going, if people dont want to actually discuss there is no reason to reply. I brought the question to those with most experience and insight, and I had expected that would be respected by you guys. I did not take it to the traditional proposal forus, because then you end up with someone suggesting things that would demand changes and dev time on a scale that is huge. Most of the aspect in the proposal and concept as it is uses a lot of existing mechanics with most aspects being a reuse of what we already have. The actual mechanic of the tunneling being the only really new thing added.

This kinda is meant to be the drawing board. I will even supply a crateful of crayons. I appear to have colored a bit outside the lines though..

I have no problem with criticism. If I did I would not post on eve-o.

OFC there should be Targoids, or Vogons, or Daleks. Not sure which would convert well into EVE.. I am currently betting on Daleks, their philosophy seem to match best..

Let me go back to the ideas that should not rub anyone in any way..

The actual idea of a space type that looks and feels different.

The Phase Space image shows the core of that idea and I think that fits most peoples flavor of EVE cosmology.

Phase Space Image

The second part is that movement is in a tunnel like warping. This would be different that gates and WH, since it would be kind of an inversion of current movements. Your warp through space and jump through gates and WH, in Phase Space you locate a tunnel and you enter it in a similar visual as warp. The best equivalent is seen in Deep Space 9 where Sisqo enters the "WH" in a Tunnel version when meeting the Oracle. Like seen in the battle inside the Wormhole HERE

The difference is usually there is no time going through the WH is DS9, but sometimes the travel is not instant..

While in this type of instance based tunnel space you could even let players see and interact with each other?

So the space would be "Real" and while in the tunnel there might be combat possible with players and spawning rats?

Moving this from Wormholes to Features and Ideas.