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Logistics and new player questions.

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Sovietpanda chuikov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-28 20:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sovietpanda chuikov
Hello, I am mostly new. I have pretty much just been training everything needed to be a good logistics capable player. The reason I started playing this game is because I was told it was more difficult. However, in all games I play I am a healer/support role user. So I naturally thought that logistics would fit me best. I love supporting my team and being a team player. I love any kind of healing and support roles in all forms of games that have them.


As I near completion of all the skills I needed I was told something that terrified me. I was told that I would either have to learn to play alternative damage dealing roles or I will not be able to play at a high level. This is greatly disturbing to me as I abhor damage dealing roles. I find them terribly boring and not fun to play. My questions are: Will I be able to stick to the support role and have fun in eve? Will I inevitably be forced into damage dealing ships and roles? Will I be considered foolish or a bad player for wanting to stick to my beloved role? Is this game for me?


Thank you, respectfully for all your answers and your time.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#2 - 2013-03-28 21:26:04 UTC
Sovietpanda chuikov wrote:
Hello, I am mostly new. I have pretty much just been training everything needed to be a good logistics capable player. The reason I started playing this game is because I was told it was more difficult. However, in all games I play I am a healer/support role user. So I naturally thought that logistics would fit me best. I love supporting my team and being a team player. I love any kind of healing and support roles in all forms of games that have them.


As I near completion of all the skills I needed I was told something that terrified me. I was told that I would either have to learn to play alternative damage dealing roles or I will not be able to play at a high level. This is greatly disturbing to me as I abhor damage dealing roles. I find them terribly boring and not fun to play. My questions are: Will I be able to stick to the support role and have fun in eve? Will I inevitably be forced into damage dealing ships and roles? Will I be considered foolish or a bad player for wanting to stick to my beloved role? Is this game for me?


Thank you, respectfully for all your answers and your time.


See, there is nothing wrong with being a logi pilot. Any respectable fleet will always need more logi. U can get into all kind of fights, so dont worry about that.

But you get any killmails if you are a true logi. And you will lose the ship quite often. So after sometime, you might get bored.

And logi 5 takes barely 3-4 months will all support skills maxxed. what are you going to do after that anyway?
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-28 21:31:16 UTC
you will have fun to do the logi stuff (i know some people that always do the logi on every fleet), but sometime you may want to solo pvp or solo pve. the drones are the best for that (can do pvp, pve, and fit in logi), you can train drone boat too for extra damage (incase you feel not flying logi for some roam).

you won't be forced into damage dealing ship, "everyone loves logi"

no one will told you fool or bad for logi, and join player corp already if you have the logi skill complete they would love to have more logi player in their corp.

well logi have some bad things too, you need to have friend to be usefull can't really solo on them (that's why i mention about player corp)
Sovietpanda chuikov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-28 21:32:07 UTC
Thank you for the response. Killmails and any kills at all are meaningless to me. The knowledge that I helped is enough for me. As for losing the ship. I suppose eve wouldn't be a good game for me if I was afraid of losing a ship now and again. I just hope I can stay in the role. As for what I will do after. I have not thought about it. I just want to get into the game so to speak.
Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-28 21:42:52 UTC
I wouldn't let other advice from an unverified source disway you from mastering a technique others have never tried. Im still fairly new yet I can already see the many different ways to potential support any situation combat or not. Besides. That almost sounds like tactical mis-information given to you in order to keep a secret a secret. Then again im still new here.

Murphy's Technology Law - If your not thoroughly confused. Then you were not thoroughly informed.

Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-28 21:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Roseline Penshar
maybe you need to master drone skills too, remember remote repair (things to repair other) can't repair yourself that's where the logistic drone come in handy to repair yourself or give extra repair to other

edit : logi usually (not always but usually) is the key to win fleet vs fleet battle, your logi suck or get down pretty easy = don't ever engage pro player, but if your logi is very good with decent dps people in your fleet = you can win against bigger fleet
Sovietpanda chuikov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-28 21:48:24 UTC
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
I wouldn't let other advice from an unverified source disway you from mastering a technique others have never tried. Im still fairly new yet I can already see the many different ways to potential support any situation combat or not. Besides. That almost sounds like tactical mis-information given to you in order to keep a secret a secret. Then again im still new here.




It was from the help channel. Two people said almost the same thing so it disturbed me. However I have regained my confidence . I was quite afraid that I would be shoehorned into a role I hate. As for what I do after I train logistics. I will most likely start mastering the other support roles in the game. As you can tell I am a very dedicated to the support role. It's just who I am. The guy behind the scenes making sure things work. Big smile
Mister Tuggles
Heretic Army
Sedition.
#8 - 2013-03-28 21:51:32 UTC
Sovietpanda chuikov wrote:
Thank you for the response. Killmails and any kills at all are meaningless to me. The knowledge that I helped is enough for me. As for losing the ship. I suppose eve wouldn't be a good game for me if I was afraid of losing a ship now and again. I just hope I can stay in the role. As for what I will do after. I have not thought about it. I just want to get into the game so to speak.



Awesome response.

Everyone loves a logi. Even if you are going in small group PVP you can roll out the new t1 logi cruisers and be a pretty large help. If you get bored with PVP you can always jump into incursions as well. I know Logi's are ALWAYS needed, especially good ones.

Once you get enough experience with the logistics line of ships you may want to jump over into carriers for some large fleet fights. The skills transition pretty well for triage Archon, and with the skill requirements changing for carriers in the Summer expansion it will be easier to make the move when/if you decide to.
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-03-28 22:45:32 UTC
Roseline Penshar wrote:
maybe you need to master drone skills too, remember remote repair (things to repair other) can't repair yourself that's where the logistic drone come in handy to repair yourself or give extra repair to other

edit : logi usually (not always but usually) is the key to win fleet vs fleet battle, your logi suck or get down pretty easy = don't ever engage pro player, but if your logi is very good with decent dps people in your fleet = you can win against bigger fleet



AFAIK you cannot rep yourself with drones as they are remote reppers in this case too.....
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-03-29 00:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
This is correct. As a logi pilot you will never be able to rep yourself. You will get reps from other logi ships in your fleet.

And yes, everyone loves a logi pilot. As long as you can fly both shield and armor logi you will never be turned down for a gang. Then you can move into T2 logi cruisers and eventually carriers when you are ready. This gives you a clear training path all the way from frigates to capitals that will keep you busy (and in fleets) for a long long time.

And that's just the straight "healing ppl" path. If you expand your roles to include gang boosts, scouting/probing, and EWAR then you will be training new stuff for ages and still be incredibly useful in any gang without ever flying a real DPS ship.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#11 - 2013-03-29 00:38:21 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
Roseline Penshar wrote:
maybe you need to master drone skills too, remember remote repair (things to repair other) can't repair yourself that's where the logistic drone come in handy to repair yourself or give extra repair to other

edit : logi usually (not always but usually) is the key to win fleet vs fleet battle, your logi suck or get down pretty easy = don't ever engage pro player, but if your logi is very good with decent dps people in your fleet = you can win against bigger fleet



AFAIK you cannot rep yourself with drones as they are remote reppers in this case too.....



^ this. Drones need to be pointed at a target, and you cannot target yourself... so, no self repping.
Slaveofjita
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-03-29 02:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaveofjita
You can not be a pure logi pilot, you need some sort of income to be able to buy logi ships(you will lose them). you need combat skills for ratting or some other skills that help you get some source of income unless you plan on just buying plex to get isk.

However this also depends on what you plan to do in eve, if pve is your thing you can go pure logi and just do incursions and get isk that way but no pvp here.

edit: however you will need t2 logis with t2 mods for incursions i believe.
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-29 07:57:44 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:


AFAIK you cannot rep yourself with drones as they are remote reppers in this case too.....



^ this. Drones need to be pointed at a target, and you cannot target yourself... so, no self repping.

ah i see, new info for me cause i never used the drone and planning to use one
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-03-29 09:53:29 UTC
Sovietpanda chuikov wrote:

As I near completion of all the skills I needed I was told something that terrified me. I was told that I would either have to learn to play alternative damage dealing roles or I will not be able to play at a high level.


This I doubt, simply by how healing types are rarer to find (because so many players want to kill, kill, kill) across MMOs. Too often those who state that are more part-time healing types who bore at being dedicated healers.

I also only play healers/support in other MMOs and training a logi pilot as it's similar, and looked at the offerings of other support roles, and found HIC as another alternative. Support but more offensive than just healing and a heavy tank to boost (goes nicely with Logi due to having to train heavily in shields to survive being a #1 target). Command piloting with warlinks is also another alternative (train heavy in leadership skills, as fleet boosting is a plus).

So there's other ways to support than just killing. I too am not interested in the KB, and it's sad that support players aren't getting recognized for their effort. Other MMOs have different stats for healers that are as important as damage.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-03-29 13:42:44 UTC
Slaveofjita wrote:
You can not be a pure logi pilot, you need some sort of income to be able to buy logi ships(you will lose them). you need combat skills for ratting or some other skills that help you get some source of income unless you plan on just buying plex to get isk.

I dunno, I have seen plenty of free logistics ship replacement programs even in the poorer alliances just because they want to encourage people to fly logistics so badly. And while ratting is the best way to make ISK in null mining isn't that terrible if you are getting your PvP ships for super cheap and PI is always an option for supplemental income.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#16 - 2013-03-30 04:44:04 UTC
You are getting a mixed bag of advice going on.

You can be a logi pilot for your income. Incursions!

You will get on kill mails for pvp. ECM Drones.

You might also consider other support roles like EW for pvp and salvaging for PVE.

You can have a full Logi/support character and enjoy eve just fine without getting board.

If you really need a bit of dps to mix with your skills just add a few extra drone skills.
Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-05 10:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Idicious Lightbane
Any decent corp will have a logi replacement program, probably with corp logi's handed out to people who can fly but don't have. In that respect you don't have to worry about ship replacement that much if that is all you will be flying. There is a very nice path now from the very start for people wanting to focus on logistics, you can go from the logi frigate, to the t1 logi cruiser, and then train for the T2 logi's.

For most situations being able to fly a Guardian and a Scimitar will get you into almost any fleet. Bassi's are hardly ever used in pvp, and the oneiros is used for solo logistics, or in a few select fleet doctrines.

From T2 logi you can go on to carrier eventually, the most preferred carrier for pvp is the amarr one in general as for capitals armor tanking is almost exclusively used, and it has the best bonusses for the logistics role in that. This skill path will keep you busy for at least a year or 2.
Connery Domino
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-04-05 12:56:30 UTC
Logi is fun and if you enjoy helping people, you'll have fun with it too. The only way it gets frustrating is that you pvp/pve with people who are terrible.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#19 - 2013-04-05 23:28:27 UTC
If you take carrier as another step froum your logi you should be fine because triage carrier is like 10 logies packed in one and when you get bored by only healing you can use its drone damage to make some isk by grinding npcs.