Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree. I would like to assume they know it, but it's so clearly wrong that I have to assume they are actually unaware.

The imbalance in usability is caused by these bonuses.

The main problem being this bonus making the major imbalance you can't do one without accounting the other.
If you do, this results in current issues issues and straps to tanking modes but solves nothing.

This was an answer to a different question. It may have been diluted a bit throughout this thread, but the issue isn't so much that active tanking ships are bad at active tanking (which they aren't), but that being bad at buffer and remote tanking disqualifies them from larger fleet fights.

I'm totally fine with resist ships being good at active tanking.

Plenty of non-resist bonused ships are used in fleet fights.

I mean, look at the current Top 20. It's hilariously skewed by Rokhs atm, but that's not representative, it's just because it's the start of the month, and I can't find last months data. But the Maelstrom is right up there. Note the presence of the Hurricane and the absence of the Ferox. The Rupture, instead of the Moa or the Maller, the Fleet Tempest instead of the Navy Scorp...

You're living in a fantasy world.

You're completely missing why these ships are being flown. All it demonstrates is that flying a ship with only one bonus sometimes wins out, if it's the RIGHT bonus. For example, people fly Maelstroms for the artillery, not the shield boosting. They don't even fit a shield booster at all most of the time. They could fit those 1400mm arties to an Abaddon just as easily, but they consider the rate of fire bonus more important than the armor resist bonus. Or maybe they want artillery with a shield fleet, not with an armor fleet. If I were running an armor fleet, I would ask people to fit 1400mm arties to their Abaddons.

Rokhs and Hyperions can't do 1400mm artillery very well, because they cost too much powergrid. They could do 1200mm artillery, but you lose about half of the alpha. So they're mostly just low dps ships that could be firing railguns instead.

You mean incoming repairs, right?

It's almost as if it's the balance of ships that matters, not the balance of bonuses.

BTW, Fozzie ruled out making the local rep bonus apply to RRs received, stating that there was enough RR around already.

Which isn't a very satisfying response. Even if the hull repair bonus applied to incoming reps it would still be worse than a resist bonus, so ultimately it wouldn't change anything except make the difference between those hulls somewhat less staggering in large battles.

Hypothetical example: Imagine a 25 man gang (with 20 dps ships and 5 logi) vs an identical gang. Each dps ship does 400 dps while each logi reps about 300 armor points/s. The only difference between them is that one gang has a 37.5% bonus to recieved remote armor repairs while the other gang has a 25% bonus to armor resists.

Both gangs put out 8000 DPS (before resists are taken into account) and rep 1500 dps. How does the different hull bonuses affect each gang? Well firstly the gang with resist bonuses reduces incoming damage by 25%, so the other sides DPS is reduced by 2000dps. Whereas the other gang get a boost to it's remote reps so their incoming repairs are increased by 562.5 dps. Also, the resist-bonused ships are less vulnerable to being volleyed by artillery.

So even with a bonus to recieved reps the resistance bonused ships win out! With that in mind they could at least throw them a bone here. If the balance team are unhappy with how remote reps work then they should overhaul the system, not arbitrarily leave a bunch of ships out in the cold because there's "enough RR already". It's logical fallacy since everybody brings masses of logi to fleets fights anyway, and giving active-rep hulls a bonus to remote reps would simply increase the diversity of viable choices (although, as noted, they would still be worse).

I doubt anybody has ever said, "you know, I have 10 Guardians and a bunch of triage carriers available, but since only Abbadons and Rokhs have hull bonuses that benefit remote reps, unlike Hyperions and Maelstroms, I've somehow mysteriously decided to bring less logi to the field. I mean, there's enough RR already, right?" Does that make sense?