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Voice coms the difference between High and Null?
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Onomerous
Negative-Impact
Sedition.
#21 - 2013-04-05 12:31:02 UTC
non judgement wrote:
Posting in stealth "we're better than highsec cause we use voice coms" thread.

I thought everyone knew that people in highsec don't use voice coms.


Pretty much...
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-04-05 13:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I live in Null and have 4 oog voice programs loaded, 2 of them are running right now. You just need this kind of in the moment communication to function in a PvP fleet. Do you have voice comms up? Where do you live?



Another fine example of nullsec superiority.

No. Noone in HS ever heard of this "coms" thing you speak of. We still use stone tools and leeches. We've just developed language and send riders on horseback to talk to each other! Please halp us!

Don't ban me, bro!
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#23 - 2013-04-05 16:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Mr Kidd wrote:

Another fine example of nullsec superiority.

No. Noone in HS ever heard of this "coms" thing you speak of. We still use stone tools and leeches. We've just developed language and send riders on horseback to talk to each other! Please halp us!


I don't want to help anyone Mr.Kidd. Honestly I am just curious what the current status of voice comms in highsec is.

In Everquest I only used voice on raids. For day to day activity I didn't like it because it seemed to take away from the immersion. Eve is a bit different though in that the atmosphere is not so much diminished by hearing RL sounds and voices.

It sounds like the answer is that highsec players do not as a rule use voice coms. The reasons for that have been pointed out, highsec gameplay actually discourages group activity I guess.

I wonder if that could be changed, or if it should be changed.

In EQ there was a scale for XP, it worked out that the bigger the group the more XP everyone got (regular groups maxed out at 6 players). Maybe Eve would benefit from such a dynamic.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#24 - 2013-04-05 16:02:37 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Hisec -- (in general) "We have TS3!" (or Vent/mumble/whatever). Go to log on, and not a soul there. even when there's 20 people online.

"Hey guys, WTF why aren't you on TS"
- Don't have a mic
- Don't have it
- WTF is TS?

Lowsec -- IDK, never flew with a true lowsec crew. Though when I was in Empire, the people who would roam were more apt to getting on TS all the time.

Nullsec - TS/mumble/vent/jabber/whatever. People are on even when not logged in, and usually ready to go at a moment's notice.


Troof.
Terry Shawton
DEROB
#25 - 2013-04-05 16:09:44 UTC
voice comms whatever is needed works but you always get that one person on that never shuts up
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-04-05 16:17:03 UTC
Terry Shawton wrote:
voice comms whatever is needed works but you always get that one person on that never shuts up


That's what the kick command is for.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-04-05 16:34:40 UTC
In WH we all have to learn how to speak Dolphin. We tried learning Bat but only the girls could speak it properly. Which gave R&K an unfair advantage.

That way we can talk and use echo location at the same time. Saves hitting D-Scan every 3 seconds.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#28 - 2013-04-05 16:42:34 UTC
Teamspeak? Vent? Mumble?

Don't you guys have intergrated chipsets in your brains yet Shocked
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-04-05 16:43:07 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
When I live in highsec I dont seem to have voice coms open. I currently live in Null and have 4 oog voice programs loaded, 2 of them are running right now. Do you have voice comms up? Where do you live?


There's not very much need to actually "talk" other people in high sec save incursions. But in null (like in incursions) things can happen so fast that voice is preferred. Even when things arne't happening, Voice comms is part of the "culture" of null sec.

I've got TS3, mumble and vent on my system so I can talk to people in different alliances.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#30 - 2013-04-05 18:32:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
don't know why people don't like the ingame voice thingy. used it several times for live events and it has been perfectly fine.


lol well for me it sort of lags. i have to hold the key down for like 3 seconds before i start talking and 3 more after i'm done or it always seems half of what i said gets cut off. so i gave up on eve voice for the most part. i will use ts or mumble. seems ts is more popular in my eve circle.

that is when i feel like talking and/or listening to other people talk.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#31 - 2013-04-05 19:28:28 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
don't know why people don't like the ingame voice thingy. used it several times for live events and it has been perfectly fine.


lol well for me it sort of lags. i have to hold the key down for like 3 seconds before i start talking and 3 more after i'm done or it always seems half of what i said gets cut off. so i gave up on eve voice for the most part. i will use ts or mumble. seems ts is more popular in my eve circle.

that is when i feel like talking and/or listening to other people talk.


We need to revive the tutors TS :(

The Drake is a Lie
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#32 - 2013-04-05 21:29:27 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
don't know why people don't like the ingame voice thingy. used it several times for live events and it has been perfectly fine.


lol well for me it sort of lags. i have to hold the key down for like 3 seconds before i start talking and 3 more after i'm done or it always seems half of what i said gets cut off. so i gave up on eve voice for the most part. i will use ts or mumble. seems ts is more popular in my eve circle.

that is when i feel like talking and/or listening to other people talk.


We need to revive the tutors TS :(


would be nice. it has been pretty dead lately. not that i've been helping much in that regard P
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-04-05 22:42:57 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I don't want to help anyone Mr.Kidd. Honestly I am just curious what the current status of voice comms in highsec is.

In Everquest I only used voice on raids. For day to day activity I didn't like it because it seemed to take away from the immersion. Eve is a bit different though in that the atmosphere is not so much diminished by hearing RL sounds and voices.

It sounds like the answer is that highsec players do not as a rule use voice coms. The reasons for that have been pointed out, highsec gameplay actually discourages group activity I guess.

I wonder if that could be changed, or if it should be changed.

In EQ there was a scale for XP, it worked out that the bigger the group the more XP everyone got (regular groups maxed out at 6 players). Maybe Eve would benefit from such a dynamic.


When SOE put in voice chat in EQII, everyone used it 24/7. You're in it logging in; questing; during harvesting; during dungeon and raid runs. It's a v-e-r-y social game. Raid guilds would get their vent servers, but overall the ingame chat was fine. Then when you're out of the game they always had the station IM service.

And there's no 100 folks in voice being buttholes, it's an ingame service and SOE is strict on behavior.

Love how they measure guild population too: unique accounts. So a guild with 800 unique accounts = not 80 players with 10 toons. Logging into a game like that there's 30 people in guild voice chat alone. It made the game not feel so small.

Many features in that game that would be great in other games...many. I can imagine the screams here if they can lose skill points for dying. PvPers like to brag about "I'M IRONMAN!!!", but conditions like deleveling if they die to much makes them wimps.

But hey, I'm the "carebear". Bear

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-04-05 22:58:06 UTC
Terry Shawton wrote:
voice comms whatever is needed works but you always get that one person on that never shuts up


Your alliance lacks comms discipline

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2013-04-05 22:58:59 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I live in Null and have 4 oog voice programs loaded, 2 of them are running right now. You just need this kind of in the moment communication to function in a PvP fleet. Do you have voice comms up? Where do you live?



Another fine example of nullsec superiority.

No. Noone in HS ever heard of this "coms" thing you speak of. We still use stone tools and leeches. We've just developed language and send riders on horseback to talk to each other! Please halp us!


have you trained Smoke Signals to at least IV?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-04-05 23:02:14 UTC
Generally, the more challenging the content, the better the coordination required. Voice is a tool to improve team coordination.

It's also a place for people to get on and bullshit with each other in small communities. But these generally form from teams that required coordination to overcome challenging content. When you get a bunch of random people on comms for no reason, it's just a bunch of random assholes on comms with nothing in common.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-04-05 23:04:20 UTC
Terry Shawton wrote:
voice comms whatever is needed works but you always get that one person on that never shuts up

Fortunately the comms software these days is fairly sophisticated and has awesome advanced features. Like mute.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-04-05 23:37:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
have you trained Smoke Signals to at least IV?


Will that be the way you "communicate" with people, Malcanis?

Or will you prefer lights...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6wMTIW9NkY

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#39 - 2013-04-06 00:28:37 UTC
I just have two for my main, TS and Mumble, one for our allies and the other for my own alliance.

This thread is hilarious lol

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#40 - 2013-04-08 09:15:01 UTC
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
Teamspeak? Vent? Mumble?

Don't you guys have intergrated chipsets in your brains yet Shocked


we haven't bought in on the "freedom" that Sansha promised. Looks like it may have been the better ideaBlink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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