Market Discussions

EVE can have a working stockmarket and CCP don't really need to do anything to allow that to happen (although they could make it easier by providing better infrastructure).

The primary issue that prevents us having a working stockmarket is that the players have not created a great many entities that anyone would want to own shares in. It doesn't matter that the market for trading them is primitive when the item itself barely exists.

I can think of maybe a dozen currently trade-worthy shares in EVE and those are already traded perfectly well with the current infrastructure.

Maybe some better infrastructure would spur more people to build public businesses, but I personally think it's up to community members to put more work in to making this happen.

If you want it, build it. It makes a lot more sense than sitting around waiting for CCP to hand you a packaged product for your nieche gamestyle.

Diesel those are not bad ideas.. Just rough ideas..

That is the only way we can collect the information needed to suggest something realistic.

In order for CCP to see why its a good idea to consider putting manhours into creating things like loan contracts and a true stockmarket, and shares features we need to have the facts and come up with a system that wont end up as a dead-end functionality.

The key word is consequences for defaulting. EVE is known to see scamming as a viable game options and I agree fully with this. So I believe we need something with enough "holes" to not make scams and defaulting impossible, but where there are methods of acting on these criminal offences.

That is why I think we need to consider corp standings and bounty and kill rights features before we look at the details in the MD features.

Also to even begin to work on these things I believe player to player billing is the most VITAL feature for MD activity.

After PLAYER BILLING we need to consider a simple ingame way to have calculations of estimated NAV (net asset value) of ALL a player or a corps assets. This would be shown as categories in a wallet feature with export option. API already have this option, since many 3rd party services can do these calls, but to make it a valid mechanic the ingame client should have a simple version of it. We can not expect players to experiment with using shares and financial reporting casually if it demands a full RL exam or experience and the equivalent to an mba.

With NAV REPORT in the game the client could easily update this number to corp information, much like you can see info on npc corps shares number etc. Thus we would have a really rough way of showing value of shares.

The next feature needed would be buyback vote SHARE RESET. So suggesting a vote to force buyback shares would give the owners an idea whether to vote for or against the action, based on looking at reported shares value.

Last would be an option to unplug shares to trade in contracts. I think this is a bit of a tough one, but there might be a mechanic work around. If corp got the equivalent of a BPO with an ID that would be transfered onto BPC then we would have a physical item to trade. So these would ofc be stackable and would need to be plugged into something equivalent to building slots. In the functions of industry it would be possible to create to equivalent of a public stock market in current client-server mechanics. Building slots can be viewed remotely, so having 3 different states to plug the shares into would work as holding, selling or buying. The visibility would be like a remote link to a contract and when you either sell or buy the stack would increase or decrease.

If we accepted something like this, that basically reused some of the existing UI and functionality we could get a working system without demanding a full team dedicated to this single feature. It would be possible to have it as a work in progress project, where players would be informed that this was a beta feature. With the inventive nature of EVE players as things progresed players would figure out work arounds and 3rd party features that would help developers integrate the needed features in fixes and small updates.

Is this an optimal solution? HELL NO, but since this feature have been shelved for 9 years, the only realistic solution is accepting a beta version. If Shares grow into a huge phenomenon it will naturally pull more developer time, but if not its a good way to not risk wasting effort.

EVE can't have a working stockmarket until people like you can be put in prison.

(at Bad Booby)

A consequence mechanic with bounty and killrights would be EVE equivalent to that.

Also a personal oriented Vendetta system might be useful. A bit like wardecs but on a personal level. When a Vendetta is issued the corp level is given the option to "defend" join the miniwar so to speak. So individuals could declare war on corporations and alliances without needing to spread it to own corp or alliance. This would bring new activity into war decs and kick the beehives of corporations and alliances.

What would be the qualification for declaring a "vendetta"? Can you declare one on anyone you like? If so, then it's a made-to-order griefing tool. If it's limited by game mechanics, then it runs into the alt problem. If it needs GM approval then it's very labour intensive (maybe CCP could charge 1 PLEX for the service?)

I'd like to point out that you can already put a bounty on me, you can already war dec me and you can already kill my main freely in any location (since I'm -10) so the issue currently isn't that those particular consequences are not available.

Personally, I think this isn't about the lack of consequences because punishing fraudsters after they have already defrauded you is akin to shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.

This works if it's easy to liquidate assets. For me (and I imagine for a lot of people), stuff is spread out all over the place. Selling a chunk of it would take a lot of time on my part transporting it to where I could get a half decent price.

Also, I'm not sure that we need a punishment system for people like Bad Bobby. Confidence games, being able to swindle people, is part of Eve's charm. And, much like real life, the public response to someone who was conned is "You dummy, you should have known better."

By the way, anyone want to buy some shares of Titans4U?

5 points: CCP should sell more things for PLEX, like laptops.

I agree. Also I would like them to use their brains a bit.. Aside from the fanboy clothing. Buy batches of cool clothes and make the models for the ingame version. Sell both get Real life rich. Virtual clothing for Aurum and real life version for PLEX. Talk about taking the middleman scam to the max, while clients like you for it..

ALL the FanFest Tshirts should exist ingame and outgame. But limited ofc..

We need real life clothing with EVE ship camouflage..

Those LEGO things need to develop further, and we need a team from WhiteWolf to design the Pen and Paper game for EVE, especially now that we have DUST Puppies too. have gamesworkshop create the DUST suit miniatures..

SELL EVERYTHING FOR PLEX..